(List D refers to Richard’s List D and his Respondent Numbers)
Vineeto’s Correspondence with Henry on Discuss Actualism Forum HENRY: My experiencing of what I took to be virtual freedom was sincere, but I soon found myself feeling jealous of what I perceived to be superior progress by Claudiu and Kuba. Fortunately I was able to smell something was off quickly and put my hands in my pockets and carried on. However, this undercurrent was still able to define me through to today. […] It’s quite clear to me at this point that I have no substantial reason not to enjoy this life / this moment. Anything that brings me down is a mirage, something I maintain only for myself and with no benefit. It’s just this habitual thing. On closer inspection, this jealousy was similarly a mirage… any advantage of progress that Claudiu and Kuba may have was defined purely by my own parameters: my own jealousy was the only thing creating whatever gap may exist. There is no reason to be jealous - if anything, it’s wonderful that my peers that I have been discussing actualism with for these years have been having the success that they have been enjoying. All that is left is for me to get out of my own way and join them - not to mention joining Vineeto and the rest of the pioneers. It is wonderful to put this to rest. I can see that jealousy of the same variety has been a part of ‘me’ for a very long time [...] VINEETO: Hi Henry, It’s great you have discovered and can admit to what this ‘smelly’ undercurrent is – jealousy and competition are a strong emotional forces. As you said it has been a part of you for a very long time. So now that you identified the trigger which prevents you from fully enjoying and appreciating this moment, you can contemplate it in depth, recognize the pattern and make a conscious choice. You can first ascertain the facts as far as the habit of comparison/ competition/ jealousy goes. You want to be actually free and someone has made better progress. The fact that it makes you feel jealous could mean that, deep down, you know you are not yet doing everything you can possibly do to achieve your goal. Therefore, instead of feeling jealous, which is wasting a potent emotional energy, one can easily, with some awareness and common sense, turn this energy into the action of making tangible progress towards your aim. I remember ‘Vineeto’ used imitation, i.e. tried to learn from the successes ‘she’ identified in others at making progress in actualism and thus channelled ‘her’ own emotional energy into being productive, and, of course, added further confidence, enjoyment and appreciation. You said – “any advantage of progress that Claudiu and Kuba may have was defined purely by my own parameters”. If your own parameters are merely about “I am better than someone else” then those parameters are well worth looking at and worth reassessing. If, however, your parameters are that you want to become actually free as soon as possible, then they naturally need to align with pure intent, and then the next action will become obvious to you. Perhaps it’s a matter of realigning your aim and actions fully with pure intent and follow the guidance of pure intent? In any case, sitting “on the sidelines” or rationalizing jealousy out of existence will not do the trick, and I congratulate you for somewhat recognizing that. As you say “Plus it’s so much more fun to just jump in rather than sitting in a huff on the sidelines”. VINEETO: If your own parameters are merely about “I am better than someone else” then those parameters are well worth looking at and worth reassessing. HENRY: I was initially a bit taken aback, but it became clear that that very dynamic was at work in my life. Upon reflection, I could see it was defensive in nature and ultimately served to sustain insecurities. Since exploring those aspects, things have been ‘coming unstuck,’ and as of yesterday afternoon a ‘christmastime atmosphere’ has become predominant. There is a glow, a sense of magicality, a delight wherever my attention wanders. VINEETO: Hi Henry, There is no shame admitting that competition is operating in you – pretty much everyone has this feature of the human condition to a greater or lesser extent. But it is wonderful that you can own up to it and are “exploring those aspects” to the point where things are “coming unstuck” resulting in “a delight wherever my attention wanders”. Well done. Don’t stop here as competition and rivalry are quite a pertinacious occurrence inherent in the peasant mentality and deserve attention whenever they stand in the way of persistently enjoying and appreciating one’s association with fellow human beings. HENRY: There is a question of where there is love at play, as I have been getting some attention back from a girl I’m interested in, but I’m paying close attention. Experience will inform. In the meantime, enjoying this atmosphere, which I do recognize from PCEs. A sensation of circling the drain. VINEETO: As Richard explained in detail, there is a way of bypassing love with sufficient naïveté when moving further into intimacy with one’s partner –
They key is to activate sufficient naïveness and naïveté and be attentive and “stay fully alert”, as Grace termed it, to the instinctual tendency of love and affection which’s unpleasant side-effects most of us know so well. VINEETO: Hi Henry, HENRY: I realized that all I am really doing when I’m playing these games is finding out what works and what doesn’t, there’s no need for any emotional involvement / involvement from ‘me.’ […] By doing all that I’ve developed a wonderful library of knowledge of what works and doesn’t, which I can carry forward and share with others. And I can continue every day – trying this, trying that. There was something I was doing as an identity, ‘identifying’ with particular outcomes – "I am a winner / I am a loser," not aware that both of those are completely dependent on conditions – all there is to do is tweak a condition here and there and the whole thing can flip. There is winning and there is losing but neither are permanent states – just as nothing in this universe is permanent. It’s wonderfully dynamic, and quite fascinating to take part in. VINEETO: Now that you have discovered your, the identity’s, propensity to be a winner/loser and discovered experientially that you don’t have to do that anymore, you could apply this to your whole life and live your life on a preference basis. Viz:
VINEETO: In other words, if you put *everything* in your life on a preference basis then you can be winner big time, not only in a rather insignificant game on your mobile phone (I mean in the grand scheme of life) but in every moment of your life. It can look like this –
VINEETO: Doesn’t this course of action intrigue you? VINEETO: Now that you have discovered your, the identity’s, propensity to be a winner/loser and discovered experientially that you don’t have to do that anymore, you could apply this to your whole life and live your life on a preference basis. VINEETO: Hi Henry, Excellent. And now you only have one thing in life which is not a preference but an imperative – to become actually free from the human condition. Life is so much easier when one has sorted out one’s priorities, isn’t it? HENRY: I can see that as long as any others have objections to being happy – which is a universal condition – then they have the leverage over me to illicit sympathy. As long as I am sympathetic, I am not experiencing happiness or (ultimately) harmlessness, though I have believed that what I was doing was the most harmless approach. It’s not ultimately a harmless approach because it verifies the suffering for myself and for them – they got one more ‘vote’ in favor of the validity/reality of their suffering. […] But now I see it’s pretty straightforward – the sympathy is not, contrary to popular opinion, harmless. VINEETO: Hi Henry, You are spot on – sympathy is not, and has never been harmless. It is, at best, reaffirming the entity inside your fellow human beings and thus perpetuating their (contingent) existence –
Whereas actual caring aims to bring suffering to an end, forever –
If you are interested, this is what sympathy means at root – • sympathy (n.), ‘affinity between certain things’, from Middle French sympathie (16c.) and directly from Late Latin sympathia, ‘community of feeling’, ‘sympathy’, from Greek sympatheia, ‘fellow-feeling’, ‘community of feeling’, from sympathes, ‘having a fellow feeling’, ‘affected by like feelings’, from assimilated form of syn-, ‘together’ (see syn-; viz.: word-forming element meaning ‘together with’, ‘jointly’; ‘alike’; ‘at the same time’, also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) ‘with’, ‘together with’, ‘along with’, ‘in the company of’) + pathos, ‘feeling’ (see pathos; viz.: ‘quality that arouses pity or sorrow’; 1660s, from Greek pathos, ‘suffering, feeling, emotion, calamity’, literally ‘what befalls one’, related to paskhein, ‘to suffer’, and penthos ‘grief, sorrow’). ~ (Online Etymology Dictionary). (Richard, Abditorium, Sympathy). Sympathy is ‘fellow-feeling’ but often it means ‘suffering together’ and as such is a very close relative to compassion, which also means ‘suffering together’, so highly praised by Irene when she was in her ‘Matriarchal ASC’. Viz.:
HENRY: I have some history in my early 20s of aggressive people in my life that I can now see left me with a very avoidant and timid existence. Luckily I can now see the line of causation clearly, which means I can easily interrupt it: when I see myself being avoidant or timid, I can see the connection to fear of aggression. When I see the fear and do not give it any sustenance, it quickly fades – along with the auxiliary emotions and behaviors. […] Already at work I have had some encouraging interactions, where I would start talking to someone that I was told was having a terrible time, but after a short time they seem to be doing just fine. Perhaps a few minutes ago they were indeed struggling, but it must have passed quickly – and I’m certain the lack of sympathy helped. I can see how this dynamic is holding everyone in thrall, it’s part of what makes it taboo to be happy and harmless. However, that is nothing but superstition – it’s amazing to see how all the ‘state of the art’ psychology falls apart on that one point alone. In the end, it was all just a belief. There is something far better. VINEETO: This is excellent, Henry. I find it fascinating that you first had to deal with fear and aggression in order to see that people don’t like others to be happy and from there you could see that sympathy is not harmless. And you also experienced instant confirmation that due to “the lack of sympathy” the client’s “terrible time” and “struggling” “must have passed quickly”. There is indeed “something far better” –
However, a year later the Respondent had forgotten/pushed aside his experience of genuine caring (“but there was genuine caring, and plenty of it”) and bemoaned the absence of sympathy and compassion in Richard. With being happy and harmless comes genuine caring for one’s fellow human beings. HENRY: Thank you for the detailed response! VINEETO: You are very welcome.
HENRY: The aspect of the beauty of The Truth / God etc. is fascinating to feel out, I can see now how it has been such a temptation down the years… without the context of history it only makes sense that one would be intuitively drawn in that direction. It is indeed seductive at an intuitive level. VINEETO: You can say that again! I spent 14 years at the feet of an enlightened master because of the attraction of his Love and Compassion. Even occasional outbursts of ‘Divine Anger’ did not penetrate sufficiently into my common sense to even question the nature of the Truth I was seeking. Only his death eventually freed me from the addictive influence of Divine Love and Compassion … and then on my further quest for ‘what is Truth’ I met Peter and Richard. HENRY: The direction of the actual is sweet but in a different way, it’s clean to the point of being nearly invisible from within the human condition. It’s amazing to consider how Richard managed to find his way to it. VINEETO: Yet the more you experientially understand actualism and remember your own PCEs the more obvious its utter purity becomes. HENRY: The discerning intellect is so key, to be able to spot those inconsistencies and contradictions present within the August state, to be a keen observer of history and of ourselves. Within those contradictions and wilful ignorance is the dark side of the enlightened state:
VINEETO: A “discerning intellect” is not enough to dissuade you from following your “intuition” and your feelings. Common sense helps but it is the sincere yearning for peace on earth, which allows you to fully engage and understand that all of the intuitively attractive solutions offered by humanity have done zilch, for centuries of experimenting with human souls, to bring peace on earth even an inch closer to how it was in the early days of human history. ‘Vineeto’ asked Richard once, in ‘her’ early actualism years, if humans have made any progress in consciousness and his answer was – “no, no progress at all”. ‘Vineeto’ was deeply shocked. I now know that this is so. * VINEETO: I find it fascinating that you first had to deal with fear and aggression in order to see that people don’t like others to be happy and from there you could see that sympathy is not harmless. HENRY: I see it coming from two sides:
VINEETO: There is an additional angle to No. 2. People who develop a condition to any degree outside of the sanity spectrum are often very sensitive to vibes and psychic currents and therefore instantly feel when they are lied to, or disliked. It is not a ‘belief’ as you call it but a direct affective experience. Hence their ‘victimhood’ is not merely imagined, but experienced and reinforced by everyday experience. It is, of course, also part of their survival strategy and as such of vital importance. You will find that they do appreciate honesty and integrity, more than your well-adapted co-workers might.
HENRY: This is selfish in nature because the belief in the victim hood of the other is felt… ‘I’ know they are suffering because ‘I’ feel their suffering. In this sense, the counter-attack is defending one’s own ‘self.’ The pang is personal, and the defensive aggression is personal. VINEETO: Are you talking about yourself when you say “the belief in the victim hood of the other is felt”? And that you feel your “counter-attack is defending one’s [your] own ‘self’”? And that your “defensive aggression is personal”? And that is why you first had to deal with fear and aggression? I am trying to understand your own emotional process and insights. HENRY: Guilt is similar to this as well… one identifies with the ‘victim’ and feels the emotional harm one caused to them. Because of the belief in the solidity of that harm, it’s felt that a crime was committed. But it works similarly to sympathy in only continuing the entire structure, as has been pointed out many times on the AFT it does little or nothing to prevent future behavior. Just one more case of the diabolical underpinning the divine. VINEETO: When you feel “that a crime was committed” you swallow the set-up hook, line and sinker. Only ongoing affective attentiveness can break that vicious cycle. Your clients have nevertheless set up their lives the way they did (largely unconsciously of course) and in their scheme you are their servant. HENRY: I find it disturbing and distressing to discover that all the well-meaning people I grew up around and emulated carried that evil – and still carry it (as do I). Something to reflect on further. VINEETO: It is not only the “well-meaning people” who “carried that evil”, even though it is shocking to discover this. It’s a self-perpetuating set-up of both sides of the game. Only unilateral action can resolve the situation you find yourself in. HENRY: My belief has been that people are inherently good – a sort of ‘look for the good in people’, overlooking the obvious evils and bad vibes that are rife. Part of this has had to do with seeing everyone as a mere victim – to circumstances, to their psychologies, to their upbringings. Ultimately helpless. Within this view, it is impossible to change and we just have to accept how things are. It conveniently lets everyone off the hook, including myself, for falling short. It means that any change must come from ‘outside,’ essentially from a god. VINEETO: Yes, what makes this pernicious outlook more difficult to penetrate that it has now become the mainstream creed. And that it lets you off the hook makes it all the more attractive for those being content with second rate solutions. It’s good you are starting to see through the charade. HENRY: Everyone gets to be ‘good,’ (a mere victim) at the cost of being helpless. The effect of considering others and myself helpless is irresponsibility – a failure to take the necessary steps to change whatever it is that’s happening. If we are just victims, there’s no point in even trying, it’s better to just accept what’s happening. VINEETO: Indeed, and thus the suicide rate is higher than ever. And so is the murder rate, given that even hardened criminals are considered mere victims who only need some therapy. HENRY: However, that isn’t the case. We do have the ability to appraise our situations and make different choices, to experiment, to dare to try something different. As such, the entire narrative falls apart: I am not a victim, because I can do something different. And neither are anyone else. If they cared to, they could do differently. Everyone is only being the way they are because they’re too afraid to do anything different. VINEETO: Indeed.
It’s just as well that you have dealt “with fear and aggression” enough to dare to do something radically different – enjoy and appreciate being alive despite everyone playing the victim or pretending to play the victim. HENRY: And that is the evil present in me. That’s what I allow./p> VINEETO: Ha, it looks as if you are starting to disallow it now. You might like this one –
HENRY: This is selfish in nature because the belief in the victim hood of the other is felt… ‘I’ know they are suffering because ‘I’ feel their suffering. In this sense, the counter-attack is defending one’s own ‘self.’ The pang is personal, and the defensive aggression is personal. VINEETO: Are you talking about yourself when you say “the belief in the victim hood of the other is felt”? And that you feel your “counter-attack is defending one’s [your] own ‘self’”? And that your “defensive aggression is personal”? And that is why you first had to deal with fear and aggression? I am trying to understand your own emotional process and insights. HENRY: I’d say I was generalizing to humanity at large but it would be accurate to say that that is how I have experienced it. It has been diminishing of late, though, as I learn a new way. VINEETO: Hi Henry, Thank you for your reply. I did guess that but it appeared to be rather dissociated, so I thought I better ask. Generalisations often are used to keep one’s delicate issues at arm’s length. It might well be a habit reinforced by the job you do. HENRY: It’s a dead end trying to connect with people on a psychic level, but I can be as intimate as possible with them, reaching toward near-actual caring. [emphasis added]. VINEETO: Hi Henry, I singled out this line from your post because I have observed this tendency of people to arrogate words for their dreams and [future] experiences to present a picture which has nothing at all to do with where they are at, and ‘near-actual-caring’ is at the top of the list. The original expression of feeling being ‘Vineeto’ was the description about the final clue to becoming actually free –
It was to describe the experience which allowed ‘her’ to initiate the altruism required to give all of ‘herself’ to become actually free and was only used once and never since, because ‘her’ near-actual-caring became an actual caring once the identity had ‘self’-immolated. All the while cunning identities wanting to jump the gun began the watering-down process of appropriating the term, now shortened to “near-actual-caring”, into their everyday feeling experiences and dreams, never realising that to experientially know near-actual-caring will be the end of ‘me’ –
Richard wrote a long email dedicated to the purpose of drawing out the distinction of feeling caring and actual caring/near-actual-caring –
As I know the inventive cunning of the ‘self’-preserving identity only too well from ‘Vineeto’s’ own experience, I copied the whole sequence to demonstrate how vital it is that one is ruthlessly honest in one’s observations and descriptions of one’s own experiences, and not imagining oneself to be ‘almost there’, which imagination can only be safely within the human condition. Sincerity is the key to naiveté, and to proceed naïvely is the end of any imaginative planning and the beginning of truly having fun.
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