(List D refers to Richard’s List D and his Respondent Numbers)
Vineeto’s Correspondence with Felix on Discuss Actualism Forum VINEETO: Hi Felix, This is a very good description of your struggles with the actualism method and the insights you obtained from it what to do and especially what not to do. FELIX: Part of the “secret” of actualism seems to be that the road is only wide once you are past a lot of your own obstacles. In my case the entrance to the road might as well have been a pinhole. I remember Geoffrey saying something similar back in the day. I don’t mean to make it sound hard, I’m just stating how it was for me. VINEETO: Given that you say “the entrance to the road might as well have been a pinhole” – perhaps this very simple suggestion might help you to find the wide and wondrous path in future. When some strong emotion occurs, mark this as a flashing red light. Red light in traffic means STOP. Not just go slow but stop. Don’t cross the road when the red light is flashing, not in traffic and not in the actualism method. Before thinking about the trigger, the emotion, the problem, do whatever you can to get to feeling neutral, then to feeling (reasonably) good. Play a game, have a shower, have a cuppa, anything to get to feeling neutral. Then, and only then, you can try to contemplate the silliness of feeling bad –
Only when you feel good and you can look at the problem, which caused you to feel bad, in a *dispassionate* way, only then your contemplation and investigation and puzzling things out is worthwhile and can lead to some sensible results and even resolution. FELIX: I know I used to write a lot about “actively enjoying” etc but what I was really trying to do back then was to go over the self….like trying to override my real desires and feelings and instincts and resentment for being alive by brute force. It’s not the way. You can’t pretend that the self is not there, and then abuse it or suppress it or manipulate it to get some outcome. The self needs to be treated with care, graciously and gently like you’d treat a little kid almost. It will cling so hard to what it thinks it wants with a powerful grip, and investigating is a way of gently prying it’s toys away from its little hands. VINEETO: That is spot on. “You can’t pretend that the self is not there” because that pretence *is* the self, creating its own duplicate, pretending to having a fight with itself – in order to distract you from feeling good. It’s a pure diversion tactic. Once you wake up to this cunning pattern, it will be easier not to fall for the same trick over and over again I wouldn’t say that “the self needs to be treated with care”, as if you and the self are not one and the same, rather that you need to learn to be a friend to yourself. That means sometimes it (which is ‘you’) needs gentle guidance via pure intent, sometimes ‘you’, the more sensible adult needs to step in to call an end to a tantrum-throwing angry child. Calling an end means STOP, as described above. That means sometimes it (which is ‘you’) needs gentle guidance via pure intent, sometimes ‘you’, the more sensible adult needs to step in to call an end to a tantrum-throwing angry child. Calling an end means STOP, as described above. I wish you great success. VINEETO: Hi Felix, Thank you for your appreciation and the message full of good news. FELIX: One thing I’m starting to see a LOT of is the role of shame in hampering real investigation. Identifying as the thinker, and too scared and ashamed to face my “dangerous” feelings, I only ever knew how to beat myself up and suppress unwanted emotions. I felt and believed deep down I was just too bad, an irredeemable “lost cause” who couldn’t live up to Richard or the goal of being happy and harmless. And I had all the feelings to back it up. VINEETO: Now that you are feeling good, even excellent, and with a memory of an outstanding EE only yesterday – can you recognize how shame and feeling ashamed is a mere tactic of you the feeling being, to distract you from changing? And can you also comprehend, how equally your belief that you are “an irredeemable “lost cause” who couldn’t live up to Richard” is a habit, initially a survival habit, which is now no longer necessary nor beneficial to maintain? If you can understand this as a realization then you can decline this belief each time you become aware of it … and in one scoop two large obstacles will be removed and allow you to “not fall back into the same old”. FELIX: Coming back to normal life, this EE has allowed me to up-level, and not fall back into the same old. I can feel that my brain is starting to understand more and more what is working and what isn’t (on a somewhat rudimentary “hotter” or “colder” basis). As such feeling bad feels wrong, and is much easier to untie – especially by tracing back to last night. Anyway just wanted to drop a line. Cheers! VINEETO: Yes! That is exactly it – “feeling bad feels wrong” and a clear indicator towards more and more enjoying and appreciating being here and being alive right now. It’s wonderful to behold. FELIX: Just wanted to say that today my entire place in the world has shifted. It’s like I reached the very limit of my solutions, and being all out of ammunition, I could only give in to the ease and delight of being here. This feeling good state arose so naturally, and had no airs or pretence. There was no neediness to it, or doubt, or self castigation, or frustration, or burn out, or anything else. VINEETO: Hi Felix, This is great. It looks it “arose so naturally” … but you also know why it happened – you “reached the very limit of my solutions”. This is worth printing and sticking on your fridge as a reminder. Whenever ‘your’ solutions, i.e. your habitual reactions and responses, don’t work to make you feel good and delightful, stand still and allow the shift, and allow to happen what has happened today. I remember that similar shifts happened to you a few times before, but you forgot, or didn’t recognize how they came about, and eventually your habitual responses took over and introduced stress and seriousness again. This time you can pay attention at the slightest diminishment of your present state of feeling good and catch it at the beginning before it can slip and revert back to the serious, stressful way of life. This “noticing” is nothing serious, just a bit of attention, now that you know again how *good* it feels to feel good. With an intent to keep feeling good and paying attention you can keep feeling good. FELIX: I stood there and questioned, from this point of view, my whole orientation towards life. Not in some mindfucky way, but just a kind of “noticing” of that feeling good quality. Why couldn’t this be my default state? VINEETO: Exactly, why couldn’t it! Now you can *actualize* this realization in this matter-of-fact way you experience today. FELIX: This was very matter of fact, not having to “reach” for something ethereal or divine. Clarity and sensibility came in and cleaned up a lot of stuff. I realised this actualism thing is not so damn serious. My life isn’t so damn serious. And I did not have to be the absolute genius of the world or climb a metaphorical Mt Everest in order to just be here. I saw it was more like a subtle shift in adjustment that was needed. Not a big deal…no need for pressure. VINEETO: Yes, and that is the very proof that you have all the tools – the intelligence, the basic understanding which is needed to reach this “subtle shift in adjustment” … now the question is, do you have the right amount of (non-serious but sincere) intent to keep it going and make feeling good indeed your “default state”? You can do it if you want it ♫♪ ♫ ♪ FELIX: Hey Vineeto, Glad to report that what is happening now is not a repetition of the same cycles I have experienced for the last 4 or 5 years. There are two things happenings:
In a nutshell…and without wanting to make it sound too easy….you could say I FINALLY learned to decline to go down my usual self-sabotaging routes. Since then, feeling good has been arising very easily – which is all quite simple and delightful. I’m just inviting it more and more, which is as much about staying out of the way and not getting triggered than anything else. Whereas before, I was in fact a traumatised psyche – effectively “permatriggered” – and so there was (seemingly) no place of safe feeling good to aim for or go back to. VINEETO: Hi Felix, What good tidings! According to your report you seem to have said a final goodbye to your “chronic stress condition” due to your “escape/addiction issues”. What an incredible success. After all, you had indulged in it and suffered from it long enough to have grown tired of it and finally “learned to decline”. Well done. And now the next stage – to get used to “not getting triggered” so that you can continue feeling good. FELIX: I’m reminded how Richard once told me his main goal using the actualism method originally was “to not get triggered”. That makes a LOT of sense now – it is just so much easier to be feeling good first and then avoid triggers.
My nervous system has relaxed, I feel much more comfortable in my body and everything around me is much more pleasurable. I am experiencing that holiday feeling. It’s amazing to experience myself so differently and so all of a sudden. The deep fears that were lashing and lacerating me with stress minute in minute out are gone and I’m starting to feel rejuvenated and healthy. VINEETO: This sounds truly wonderful. The great thing is that despite your long “chronic stress condition” you still remember how the actualism method works and now you can finally benefit putting it into practice. Now is the right time, the “holiday feeling” time, to get used to being attentive enough to avoid any triggers, and if they do happen to get back to feeling good as quickly as possible. FELIX: Now that I’m getting used to feel good it’s making it a lot easier to “rewire” myself. Letting go of beliefs is much much easier, as affectively I am no longer tied to them, indulging them or enslaved to them. Now, in a relaxed way I’m making sure I don’t go back to my old ways. I wouldn’t want to anyway. VINEETO: This is an excellent plan, this is the meaning of what you do “in the meantime” … to enjoy and appreciate, and this way life can only get better and better. I am so pleased for you, you had given yourself such a hard time. VINEETO: Hi Felix, So many good posts and insights! Before you end up stressing yourself from the sheer amount of what you want to do differently, let me comment on some of what you wrote – FELIX: Probably the biggest thing I’ve found is this. So much of my
“determination” and “drive” to pursue actualism has been driven by FEAR. This fear points away
from itself oh so cunningly …. I’d even wake up already stressed, and then of course you feel fearful and want to
escape. Which can either be something actualism related or something completely different. VINEETO: And: FELIX: This was my way of trying to put a lid on the feeling being. To not be caring toward
myself or others. This lack of friendliness within caused my nervous system to absolutely tighten and freeze and lock
up - pretty much on an ongoing basis. I just wanted to shut everything down and “achieve” what I needed to.
I didn’t want to mess things up so I ignored myself. VINEETO: One of the best help for feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ was Richard’s advice very early on to be a friend to oneself, and given that you have identified this as one of the last things you had paid attention to in your stressful period, here is a timely reminder – (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 50, 11 October 2003). Whenever you catch yourself being hard on yourself, stop, pat yourself on the back for recognizing this pattern re-emerging, and get back feeling good by declining those ‘should’ and ‘shouldn’t’ demands which are designed to give you a hard time. “A hard time” is a clear sign that you are no longer on the “wide and wondrous path” so you can abandon those with the clear knowledge that they are not part of actualism anyway. FELIX: I have been hunting myself for not being able to turn “myself” into a good
person. I’m starting to see that’s the whole game, I’m seeing the limits of being a self – that there is no
winning. Why have I tried my whole life to be a winner then? Attempting that is pure stress. VINEETO: Exactly, actualism is not at all about being a “good person” – which is again using real-world values to determine what you ‘should’ do. Being sincere and naïve is far more valuable both for you and for those you interact with. Neither is the aim to be “a winner” (in everything you do) because it comes from the same internalised moral/ethical template. Here is something for you to chuckle about –
And yet despite all these failures by societal standards, the identity ‘Richard’ succeeded in what ‘he’ had set as ‘his’ priority in life. And a lot of being able to achieve his ultimate aim was made possible by discovering/ re-awakening his dormant naiveté, which made him both liking and likeable. As such, sorting out your priorities will help you determine in which areas you want to succeed and which ones are rather side-issues. FELIX: This usually reveals the beliefs that are operating. Usually a lot of shoulds about what I should be doing, what I should be achieving, what I need to improve about myself to justify being here. Also some mean questions like why do people not want to be around me, what’s wrong with me? Etc etc. A fried nervous system certainly helps to perpetuate this dynamic. VINEETO: Yep, whenever the way you feel dips below the line of feeling good, you know what to look for. You wrote in a previous message – FELIX: I’m reminded how Richard once told me his main goal using the actualism method originally was “to not get triggered”. That makes a LOT of sense now – it is just so much easier to be feeling good first and then avoid triggers. VINEETO: It sounds like the most sensible line of approach to start with – and when there are too many different triggers, get back to feeling good first and then do one, then perhaps another at your leisure. There are not as many different triggers as you might believe at first. Enjoy. FELIX: I’m reminded how Richard once told me his main goal using the actualism method originally was “to not get triggered”. That makes a LOT of sense now – it is just so much easier to be feeling good first and then avoid triggers. VINEETO: It sounds like the most sensible line of approach to start with – and when there are too many different triggers, get back to feeling good first and then do one, then perhaps another at your leisure. There are not as many different triggers as you might believe at first. FELIX: Thanks Vineeto your support and encouragement on here has been invaluable. I think what you are doing is really helpful especially when most of us are doing this online and with no one in our lives that knows about it. VINEETO: Hi Felix, You are very welcome Felix. It is such a delight when I see your the feedback in action, that what I write facilitates one or more of you to feel good, or feel better, or puzzle out some apparent obstacle satisfactorily. Here is an example of how someone phrased it well when they puzzled out how best to apply the actualism method as intended –
And Kuba confirmed this very recently –
So, be sincere and from there allow yourself to be naïve (i.e. unsophisticated, which at the start may look a bit like being a fool to you) and feeling good/great will almost come naturally. VINEETO: Hi Felix, You are making some good observations. FELIX: One thing I think now is that if I want to be actually free, it follows that I wouldn’t choose to put myself in high pressure situations again and again … I think it’s quite common to slip from an unnoticed “so so” state to a worse state - it’s quite natural in fact because it’s just a more developed version of feeling so so. That’s why it’s much better to catch it early and really develop the familiarity within a substantial feeling good. That’s what I’m working on at the moment. VINEETO: As you have reported that you have lived a long time in this intensity of stress it’s obvious that your sensors (like heat-sensors in the kitchen) need readjusting. Feeling “so so” is already a warning sight, it being on the slope to feeling bad, and you can adjust your sensors, i.e. your affective awareness, about how you experience this moment of being alive, to recognize this as the point to pay immediate attention to. With some sincere (and often fascinating) contemplation (from the vantage point of feeling good) why you developed this stressful habit in the first place you can work out why you were compelled, again and again, “to put myself in high pressure situations again and again”. Long-standing habits like this often have deep roots (for instance a survival strategy once deemed vital but which is no longer needed or even sensible/ salubrious now). Once you experientially understand the affective/ instinctual root of this compulsive past habit, and thus expose it to the bright light of awareness, it loses its previously gripping influence so much so that you eventually will forget you ever had this habit/attitude in the first place. It is quite magical. FELIX: … for the sake of accuracy let me clear up my own comment. I still meant “feeling state”, I was trying to say that sometimes it’s not just the case of having a feeling but something that is much more stable and fixed like an overarching state (same way someone might get into a loving state). This is very much the nature of states like burnout, depression etc – and it makes getting out of those situations seem a lot more complex. They are even more confusing to navigate than singular feelings which at least rise and then fall in a predictable manner. But what I’ve found with time is that getting out of these states is the exact same as with anything else – getting back to feeling good. It just takes a lot of intent… VINEETO: Hi Felix, I think it is vital that you described your present situation as a “feeling state” because it reveals that not only are a lot of feelings happening but that they are set up in a way to keep each other in place … until you find the capstone of the upside down pyramid, so to speak, and crash the whole “state”. The second quote I posted yesterday (Actualism, ActualVineeto, Frank, 1 December 2024) may be a clue for you –
In other words, you are not only looking for one specific feeling but rather what is the stressor, the issue which again and again causes you to feel stressful and anxious. You give three clues – FELIX: For the record I’m not a Buddhist or Vipassana person. As for what caused my burnout, it was life trauma (before I found actualism), though my interpretation of the actualism method made me much more burnt out than I already was. Looking back I can see I was so darn anxious, existing in a slow-burn existential panic, and feeling good seemed impossible at the time. I wanted to become actually free at any cost, but was stuck in functional freeze and had no sensitivity for myself as a feeling being. Meanwhile I was still exhausted and still trying to live up to real world expectations as well. Recipe for disaster really. [emphases added]. VINEETO: So the stressor, the cause for anxiety, is 1) not being friend with yourself, 2) to live up to expectations, and 3) your interpretation of the actualism, which is most likely formed by the same internalized real-world expectations and a disregard for your own well-being. Now you can start looking at such modus operandi and those expectations to find out which are sensible and which are simply not just silly but unliveable. Also, keep in mind that ‘you’, the ‘self’, arising from the instinctual survival passions, is very very cunning when it comes to maintain ‘your’ survival – and will corrupt the very means of escape, the actualism method, and use it to keep you entrapped. For instance, any words written about the actualism methods are tools, not rules – there is a big difference, lol. Here is an idea, the actualism method is not “sudorific” –
It could well be that an increase in naiveté will do the trick for you as well? It’s easy, ask Ian. FELIX: I’ve been rememorating the PCE. Basically I do what I did in the restaurant that time. I sit there, and I basically don’t
move, and I observe everything that is happening externally and internally. hen I find myself getting in the way less and less – it’s almost impossible to stay in the way. The “light of awareness” depowers the feelings and there is more and more to appreciate as this shift happens What I find most of all is that there is a lot less excitement in it, compared to what I aim for when I’m pursuing virtual freedom. I.e. the feeling good that ensues when doing this is not the feeling good what I aim for when applying the method “in daily life”. It takes me to a much more anonymous place, and boy does it feel good, but it’s not “the excitement” of a typical feeling-being good mood, in my opinion. It reminds me of something Geoffrey wrote in his diary one time, it’s in the Zulip archive. It’s about him realizing he had been trying to “maintain a high, with a lot of excitement. I think I’ve come to the same realisation. Feeling good in this sense isn’t really what a feeling being imagines when they are advised to aim for that. It’s much more along the lines of Attentiveness, Sensuosity, Apperception. Once here I just want to bathe in it, it’s so nice to not be under pressure. Of course there is further to go, all the way to the PCE. There really is something to be said for sitting and doing nothing, just chilling and doing this “practice” for quite a while. I think all the people who became free so far did some version of this. Not being busy with other things all the time. And that’s part of making this a singular goal of your life I think. VINEETO: Hi Felix, You hit the jack-pot. And your description of the process is exquisite and easy to follow for everyone who wants the same. It is wonderful to read that you discovered that you can “bathe” in being here in this moment of being alive, with no need for excitement or pressure to be “busy with other things”. That doing so is not just restful but satisfying and fulfilling. With this experience of naiveté as your “singular goal of your life” things will develop of their own accord. “Sitting and doing nothing” whilst enjoying and appreciating this moment of being here is the perfect place from where to invite/allow a PCE to happen –
FELIX: Thanks for the encouragement! I should add that when I talk about this working “better” than virtual freedom, what I’m discovering is that my moment to moment experience in daily life is very much plagued by feelings, just ones that I’ve come to expect or see as normal or not able to be moved. So the sitting and observing is like an acute practice that allows you to see things that when you’re busy or distracted, are easy to be missed. After last night and went back to my virtual freedom practice of asking HAIETMOBA, I was surprised just how much existential angst, anxiety and resentment I found. VINEETO: Hi Felix, When you have time to contemplate while feeling good I suggest tackling resentment first. It is, with determination to be happy, the easiest of those three major obstacles and free up a lot of tied-up energy to direct to the felicitous feelings. Also, it does rather interfere with being friends with yourself. FELIX: It seems my Achilles heel or a habit has been to want to “override” the whole process by aiming to feel good in an ambitious way, whilst trying to push down or control the seemingly malevolent/ perverse feeling being that is scuppering my efforts. Quite cunning eh. VINEETO: Well, you found yourself out – one cunning trick disarmed now that you know about it. You’ll discover more – it’s the nature of ‘me’ to hide behind the most noble causes, and especially pretend-actualist causes, I noticed. But whenever you ask yourself if this or that strategy is really on your, the actual body’s side, you’ll find that it is not, even if the cover story pretends to be. Anything that is sudorific, anything that creates stress or anxiety can never be on your side. FELIX: In fact I am not sure my diary accurately reflects just how much anxiety and angst I have experienced in the last couple of years. My investigations are now taking me into these places, which before I could not enter easily or which did not seem possible to enter and which I distracted myself in whatever way I could. VINEETO: This is natural, you have to peel the layers one by one, remove the ‘outer’ obstacles first and then get to the layers underneath. Don’t forget to pat yourself on the back for every discovery you make, and then act on. This means stop giving yourself a hard time (merely a bad habit now that you have seen through it) so to be able to enjoy and appreciate. FELIX: Instrumental to this was reading Richard’s writings about fear, specifically that which comes with realisation of being “a contingent being”.
I have taken this as inspiration to not be so easily stopped by the psychic electric fence which I have been stopped by for quite some time now. A fence built of my own deep fears and angst about actualism and my success with it, my life in general and how it rates, being alone, being scared of how I feel, anxious about how I look etc etc. VINEETO: You probably read what I had written to JesusCarlos as I had used the above quote there. I like your ‘electric fence’ analogy. Here is a quote which should give you comfort, if you understand it right in its context –
The context being that Richard describes his own experience in the process of extracting himself from enlightenment to find the actual freedom he had experienced in his PCEs. The comforting part is that now we know for certain what is at the other end of this the existential angst and that there is a Direct Route which is a far easier route to an actual freedom. It still needs gutsy pioneers though. FELIX: On top of that, fears about the actual world itself and knowing intellectually that
“no one exists” etc – I’ve made myself sick on those sorts of projections. VINEETO: You do indeed give yourself a hard time, or have done so in the past. This resentment does fall under the category of anger, you know? Your jealousy is entirely unfounded because Richard did the hardest journey of all without precedence, and it often took perseverance before and after discovering an actual freedom. Let the facts speak for themselves so that you can recognize the silliness of holding on to this particular resentment. (Btw, Richard did not “experience himself of having the mental age of about 14 year old”, he experienced himself of having the existential age of about 14 years old, due to his ongoing naiveté). FELIX: Confronting these sorts of feelings is very scary at times. There is indeed dread, foreboding and all of that. Having these feelings and then also wanting to become actually free so bad, really put me between a rock and a hard place as Kuba put it. I was trying to feel good without really acknowledging all these feelings of “wrongness” in the way. I was dissociated from those feelings, seeing them as immutable, not my fault, and being very much a victim of them. That is quite dangerous I think, if actualism becomes a fight against the feelings themselves. I’ve held on despite getting thrashed around considerably, firstly because I’m determined and secondly because there are others like yourself who have done this and I trust that it does work. I’m writing about my mistakes so others can sidestep them. VINEETO: Here you are seeing through another trick of ‘me’ – the scary feelings are labelled feelings of “wrongness”, i.e. you are ‘bad’ to even have them, let alone feel them, and then you have to suppress them to hide them – perfect way for ‘me’ to avoid change. The result is that you use the cover of ‘your’, the identity’s, idea of actualism to fight yourself and your feelings – to maintain the status quo (anxiety). FELIX: In retrospect it can seem quite easy to say – “of course you shouldn’t feel anxiety or depression or burnout as an actualist; the point is to feel good!”. But I think that ‘take’ underestimates the complexity of the human psyche and what it can cunningly obscure and perpetuate. VINEETO: Even in retrospect ‘you’ still dictate the same course – “you shouldn’t feel anxiety …”. This clearly contradicts the first principle, so to speak – be a friend to yourself. Any ‘should’ is a flashing alarm sign that you wandered off the wide and wondrous path. Here feeling being ‘Vineeto’ wrote about dealing with ‘her’ fear in 1999 –
FELIX: Now that I’m starting to acknowledge these deep, murky feelings 1. They are becoming much easier to deal with (as I’m not fighting them) and it is hugely encouraging when I do get back to feeling good 2. They are providing more impetus for becoming free (oh – this is the human condition → I’m in it just like everybody else → and it is indeed terrible and tragic → I need to do something about this). VINEETO: That is truly wonderful. FELIX: Hey Vineeto, always appreciate your very attentive readings of our experiences. I will read it again tomorrow with fresh eyes. There are a few things I will reply on later. One thing I wanted to convey now though. The kinds of topics that are captivating me are starting to change – today it started with fear and anxiety and existential angst as I wrote about. Later this afternoon, it turned to death and Richard’s writings on the topic. Namely, this exchange: Frequently Asked Questions – How to End Fear? It’s about ending fear, and death. Reading this changed my view on what I am doing – where I typically think of the actualism method in a very stepwise, logical way, the discussion around death changed that. It’s like I could see deeper, and truly see the core of fear. The real me that is not allowing enjoyment in a deep sense. The fear that is at the basis of everything as Richard puts it. Rather than put me into depression, this text did the opposite. It’s as if I could come close to death, come right up to it – each moment again – and much more easily sidestepping my usual way of being (which often seems hopelessly/ relentlessly/ irreversibly negative in feeling tone). It was like “oh of course I need to actually be peace-on-earth”. VINEETO: Hi Felix, Yes, this is what feeling being ‘Vineeto’ saw as well when ‘she’ wrote:
FELIX: Some moments later I looked up to the sky. and the stars were out, but I didn’t see a pretty sky. I came to my senses and saw deeply into the universe (my nature as a feeling being was completely bypassed in this moment) … It occurred over a very brief time frame but its significance was immense, a direct experience of the universe that completely eradicated my own significance. (Things normalised later as I met up with someone, but even then my usual angsty depressed lens was gone. Everyone looked so equal and very fresh, whereas usually I’m endlessly comparing myself and everyone. There was much less distinction between everything but everything was amazing on some level. And it was like I wasn’t holding stuff any more like I usually do, a lot of emotional weight was gone.) I have so many hot tears in my eyes as I write this – I’m guessing that in the form of memory this experience is being filtered through ‘me’ and I’m reacting accordingly. It’s because the actual world is more than a feeling being could ever imagine, and I am experiencing huge emotions of empathy (usually by default I tend not to be a majorly empathetic or emotionally self-indulgent person) as a result of processing its significance for “me” and for humanity. That it really is as wondrous as promised. I can see that what I’ve been doing is pulling actualism into “me”, dragging it down into the human condition, rather than making my way into the actual world. VINEETO: This was a wonderful pure consciousness experience. However, when you first report that “things normalised” and then experienced “hot tears” of “huge emotions of empathy”, you had not fully realized what happened. Hence you allowed what could have been an immense appreciation, disperse into “huge emotions” of ‘good feelings’ and thus wasted an opportunity to channel the outcome of the “immense, a direct experience of the universe” into felicitous feelings and immense appreciation. I am telling you so that you may be aware next time when an exceptional opportunity occurs. FELIX: I see the vague image of an unimaginable and amazing direct route, that looks somehow viable. Not sure exactly how of course; but my naïveté is busted open enough to think in bold terms. I wanted to ask, did a time come when you realised you could take such a route? Or was being out-from-control a prerequisite for you. Sorry if it’s covered extensively already, you could also link a relevant section to me if it’s easier. VINEETO: There was no realization for ‘Vineeto’ that ‘she’ “could take such a route” as it didn’t exist at the time. It was opened by Richard and Peter on December 30, 2009, a day before Peter became actually free. FELIX: To put it this way, it’s as if I’ve been studying the theory of the driving test for years but not had a car. Now it’s as if I have a car, and there is road – and I’ve realised that actually driving on this road is going to be completely different to what I imagined when I was theorising. Like an inexperienced driver, I’m both excited and perhaps a bit daunted – there is fear but there is a lot of excitement as well. Does this resonate at all? Of course it’s weird for me to write everything I’m writing because I have no idea what the territory is in a concrete sense, and could not possibly claim any confidence that I know what’s required to self-immolate. It’s all so large and mysterious and unknowable. But nevertheless, there is this underlying intuition that I could abandon theory in favour of some sort of practical boldness. VINEETO: Well, you may have (inadvertently) stumbled upon naiveté, having had to abandon all your theory of actualism by realising that “actually driving” is a different ball-game entirely. So this is your new territory, to allow and experience and explore and delight in being here, locked in this moment as much as possible, feeling naïve and then being naïve because you don’t know what will happen next, and staying in this ‘modus being’ as much as possible. But beware, ‘you’, the cunning feeling being, will endeavour to sabotage living this new territory with appealing to your addiction to pressure, to anxiety and achievement and whatever other trick you have already exposed. I wish you naïve success and ongoing enjoyment and appreciation. Anything less is ‘sudorific’. FELIX: By the way, when I call the actualism method “theory” – I know it’s a
practical method but I’m trying to convey that the direct experience is so much further beyond what is imaginable
as a feeling being when applying the method in daily life (or at least it was for me). VINEETO: I understand you completely – theory and actual living it are two different things. You have not even recognized that you have already leapt “for that beyond”, your theory is lagging behind, lol. Remember, there is only now, only this moment is actual. Live as much as possible “locked into” this moment as described by Peter, Kuba and Richard –
FELIX: I hope what I’ve written has some cogency. It’s weird to write about I’m surprised I was able to communicate something at all here haha. VINEETO: No worries, it is all very clear. Perhaps you can catch the naiveté-virus too. FELIX: Hey Vineeto It’s funny because my message was about taking a direct route and avoiding a clean up. VINEETO: Hi Felix, Ha, I wouldn’t recommend it – you have a habit of changing any task you set yourself into a sudorific enterprise. First get this habit of doing so completely out of your system with an ongoing affective attentiveness and focus on enjoyment and appreciation. FELIX: But ever since that PCE I have been doing nothing but clean up and it’s fantastic. VINEETO: Excellent. FELIX: I can’t make declaratory statements about exactly what’s happening, but I am in a totally new phase of discovering freedom. VINEETO: Ha, you can’t? You just did, and continue to do so too. FELIX: I actually think this is paving the way for virtual freedom – I seem to be successfully eliminating anxiety, which at root is what has held myself and my identity in place so punitively all these years. It’s quite amazing. When I read about Richard eliminating anger some years ago, I didn’t see how he did it. And so I didn’t do anything similar. VINEETO: First, Richard said after the event he described full-blow anger was gone. Second, anger and fear are different. Fear, the one which arises when one fully recognizes that ‘I’ am nothing but a contingent ‘being’, is an existential fear, you can’t eliminate that just like that. It only goes when you self-immolate in your entirety. Anxiety, which is not of the same existential nature, is comparatively easy to handle, once you have recognized and dealt with the habit of suppressing and running away from your feelings. You seem to have successfully worked yourself out of the ‘state of anxiety’ accompanied by painful physical symptoms so now all the different forms of anxiety are ready to be picked and disinclined whenever you become aware of them interfering with your enjoyment and appreciation. FELIX: I understand Scout when he says that asking HAIETMOBA seems to have increased anxiety. Of course anything that is not in the direction of happy and harmless is not the method, but I do understand how the identity misappropriates the method and mucks it all up big time. VINEETO: Well I don’t think you read Scout’s reply to me carefully enough –
You see he recognized that the feelings where there before and becoming aware of them “makes the pain feel more acute than numbing it.” Which means it is not as you say “that asking HAIETMOBA seems to have increased anxiety” – so stop spreading discouraging rumours about the actualism method, just because you interpreted your own experience with the actualism method this way. I still think that Scout’s experience is the same that yours was – the actualism method makes you aware of what is already there. And from false interpretation or sloppy observation arises resentment, and another obstacle to feeling good is added. FELIX: Reading what you recently wrote about control really helped – reinforcing that it’s not my fault if I get triggered and I don’t have to stamp it out like a fire or something haha. This “allowance” of what is, is key to freedom I think. VINEETO: You mean this bit?
Or perhaps this one?
FELIX: Another thing that has really helped is understanding the difference between different feeling states and using feeling good as a comparative measure. By that I mean, when feeling good, I look back at previous emotional struggles I had a day or two earlier and ask what it was about. VINEETO: Well, that really is a sign that the “previous emotional struggles” have disappeared out of your system. It’s fascinating how it works, hey? FELIX: It’s starting to really make sense that to feel anxious is so silly – it adds
absolutely nothing and only brings its own problems. But it wouldn’t have been enough just to call it silly – it’s
the familiarity with feeling good which is the mop that cleans everything up. VINEETO: This is excellent – when you can see that being anxious is silly because it makes you unwell, then it is so easy to get back to feeling good. You are back to where you wanted to be, and stay, on November 3 2024 –
FELIX: I haven’t been throwing down any gauntlets to myself re self immolation; I’m enjoying the journey of progress so to speak for now. VINEETO: Ha, this is warrior language – do you see your life as a battle against demons and dragons and other antagonists? In fact, against yourself and ‘self’-immolation as a battle to be fought. My, my, you still have a lot to learn lol. Just as well you “haven’t been throwing down any gauntlets”. I had understood that being friends with yourself had appealed to you? Maybe I was wrong. * FELIX: I remember the phrase I referred to. Richard would ask himself if he wants to be “dull and degenerate” VINEETO: Here it is – and Richard didn’t ask “himself”, he said “to ask oneself”, as a ‘wake-up jab’. It is in only one correspondence (then copied into 4 selected correspondences) – no wonder I didn’t remember it –
FELIX: There is a great deal of fun and freedom to it. And a wow factor. These experiences have a highly dynamic quality, there is a sense of movement – it’s me moving through life as if moving effortlessly and magically. It isn’t a static experience of staring at a wall waiting for something to happen. At times though that stillness does pop up momentarily; and it is almost scary when it does – a very momentary pristine perfection shines through. A “tintling” that fills the eyes and replaces egoic experience with a wonder. All the world as it’s usually known is gone – nothing is not magical. These experiences are having a profound effect on me generally. I’m excited, thrilled, can’t wait to see what will happen, totally engaged. […] I have to report the other side of the coin; the falling back into me, my problems, the heaviness of life. VINEETO: Hi Felix, Just a short reminder that you originally started your intentions with “looking for the triggers”, as in “Looking at the anxiety itself, and what triggered it …” Now these triggers not only refer to what happened to make you feel bad, it also refers to when you get seduced to allow a PCE or excellence experience or simply feeling felicitous and appreciative into the ‘good’ feelings and sometimes huge ‘good’ feelings – gratitude, love, excitement, expectations about future scenarios, day-dreaming, empathy, etc. I personally know from ‘Vineeto’s’ experience how tempting that is, and more difficult to discover because it feels so attractive at first. But it puts you back on the see-saw of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ intense feelings, hence it’s beneficial to include putting ‘good’ feelings on the watch in your ongoing fascinated attention. Remember, having ‘good’ feelings is vastly different to feeling good. I mentioned this before –
Let me know if this attention to ‘good’ feelings helps in any way to maintain feeling good (even though it may not be exciting). FELIX: One is that a couple of night’s ago I was given ketamine. Ketamine is a “dissociative anaesthetic” with analgesic properties that is apparently excellent for PTSD, and the chronic stress condition that I picked up some years ago can be considered to overlap considerably with PTSD according to a psychologist I saw 12 months age. VINEETO: Hi Felix, An interesting report. For some additional information on Ketamine, in case you are not fully acquainted with what has been given to you – “Surgeons, for another example, have known of the emergent consciousness effect for some time ... a less commonly used anaesthesia these days is the dissociative drug ‘ketamine’ because of its OBE and NDE side-effect. There is a wealth of information on the subject ... for example: <snip>” (Richard, List B, No. 28, 11 July 2001) And: (Richard, General Correspondence, Alan2, 10 July 1998) FELIX (to Jon): I just read this unhinged post. Leaving aside the self-defeating statement at the start regarding how your lost connection to pure intent “sucks”, you then go on to accept being steeped in the human condition. That accurately sets the scene for the very human-condition-exemplifying text that follows, which includes some rambling observations which I was able to partially agree with (though imprecisely delivered and with some missteps in logic). Then you make the point that “anyone (sic) who has any questions at all or wants to make a single point that isn’t 100% validating gets called transphobic.” Which is then followed up with: “Turns out my neighbor is transitioning to being a girl and now goes by a different name. What are the odds? Needless to say, we’re locking the kids in doors and will be moving. Got the rifle out too. Fully loaded by the front door. The boy is cleaning it right now. Can I ask on what basis you bother to participate in this forum at all? If you want to resignedly accept your role the human condition, and you openly admit to wanting to kill people, I’m not understanding your attraction to this forum, nor the fact that this kind of behavior is mutely accepted here. VINEETO: Hi Felix, You wrote a rather non-sensical and highly passionate post yourself –
Claudiu recently gave a good example how one can do that –
FELIX: It’s not often I disagree with you Vineeto but on this occasion I do! I think you are rather assuming that I was triggered …. I know I’m a feeling being but it doesn’t mean that just because I say or do anything, it means that I must have been highly triggered. Where is the evidence of feelings of “justified indignation”, other than what is being read into my text (following some logic of “he bothered to write, he made an objection to it, he wrote in a stern manner, he’s a feeling being, → therefore he was triggered”). It certainly wasn’t an LGBT issue either I just don’t think we should have people openly making murder jokes - are we calling even that actualist morality? Also, I don’t see any clear indication that it was a spoof. Unless you mean he wasn’t serious that he would actually kill someone – I did realise that that part wasn’t meant literally! I still think it’s abhorrent to imply that you would kill someone because of their identity on a forum about perpetuating peace-on-earth. As to your other points, I don’t regard someone who makes no apparent effort to be happy/harmless (if not the opposite) to be a “fellow actualist”. Besides which I wasn’t calling for him to be barred or similar, other than personally asking him about it (and openly wondering why this post had been taken completely without issue by anyone). I invited him to check himself, is all. <snip> VINEETO: Hi Felix, If you say so, it must be so … to you that is. But when someone starts their communication with “I just read this unhinged post” – unhinged as in “crazy, demented, disturbed, mad, sick, unbalanced, insane, manic, crazed, and uncontrolled, affected with madness or insanity, or highly disturbed, unstable, or distraught”, then this is the opening to a strong put-down. You say you didn’t “see any clear indication that it was a spoof” and consequently assumed that Jon “would kill someone because of their identity”. This is quite an extreme assessment of anyone. Well, to be so far off the mark, I simply could not see that a careful sensible non-emotionally-tinged message would look like the way it did. To spell it out – the spoof was a fantasy scene what an imaginary US Redneck (a group which Jon dislikes) would do, responding to a trans person in their neighbourhood, hence he called it a “Funny story”. You completely missed the black humour (apparently a category you are not familiar with) and just continued with your prejudiced assumptions, after you determined that Jon is not ‘one of us’, i.e. an actualist (“I don’t regard someone … to be a “fellow actualist”) and therefore won’t deserve friendly or even unbiased consideration. Now you invoke “actualist morality” (“are we calling even that actualist morality?”). The whole sequence is riddled with identity politics, ‘us versus them’, and no regard for a fellow human being to be seen. Don’t you think this topic would deserve closer attention? Instead of presenting yourself as a ‘good actualist’ in contrast to others – isn’t this exactly the label with which you have been whipping yourself in the past years and driven to an almost unbearable emotional state to the point of needing to take a big break from work? And still you maintain this morality of who is a ‘good actualist’ and apply it to yourself and others, even though it has done nothing at all to make you either happy or harmless, to the contrary. Can you not see that this ‘good actualist’ morality/identity is a cunning ploy of your identity demanding that you look good in the eyes of others and your own ideals of yourself, thereby barring the way to become tangibly free from the ‘self’-slavery and stress you have submitted yourself to? When you can really see this, grasp this, understand this, you will drop your ideals like a hot iron – they only make you more stressful, more miserable, a self-whipping fiend to yourself, and morally judgemental towards your fellow human beings who are not good enough actualists. Maybe you were not ‘strongly’ emotionally triggered by your standards, but triggered enough to harshly morally judge the other as “crazy, demented, disturbed”, etc and call on allies to agree with your own gross misunderstanding. So instead of your righteous and self-harming ‘good actualist’ morality/identity you could drop all should’s and ought-to’s, and instead look for a sincere wish to be happy and harmless, for your own sake and the sake of your fellow human beings. But refrain to make it an image, a rule, a command, an identity, else it becomes another jail like the one you have just barely escaped from. FELIX: Hey Vineeto, There are a few things I could quibble with about the way you interpreted some things I said and the meanings of some words and phrases. I feel like it would be missing the point on my part to do that. Obviously this is all about our individual journeys to becoming happy and harmless and ultimately free of the human condition, and you are using your time to help support that process – so it’s in that spirit that I’ve thought about what you said overall and how I could use it positively. […] Underneath all of that, I realise I spend a lot of my time feeling quite quite anxious. […] So I’m going to be cutting all the trappings around actualist identity and going back to just asking how I feel in the most basic sense, and seeing if I can allow myself to feel good. But I’ll also be going back to living a normal life and not being quite so fervent about actualism as it seems to take me in the wrong direction. VINEETO: Hi Felix, Thank you for your reply. It’s a good idea to “cutting all the trappings” and enjoy and appreciate as much as you can. Whenever you are feeling anxious, ask yourself each time, is it worthwhile, whatever you are anxious about. Mostly you’ll find it is not, and often it may only be a persistent habit. Remember, it feels good to feel good. All the best
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