Actual Freedom – The Actual Freedom Mailing List Correspondence

Richard’s Correspondence

On The Actual Freedom Mailing List

with Correspondent No. 53


January 30 2005

RICHARD: (...) My progenitors were farmers ... pioneer settlers carving a livelihood by hand out of virgin forest (I personally used axes and hand saws to help cut down the trees to make pasture land).

RESPONDENT: You personally used axes and hand saws ...

RICHARD: Yes, this flesh and blood body did indeed use axes and hand saws to help cut down the trees to make pasture land.

RESPONDENT: ... but you did not personally make a method ...

RICHARD: Indeed not ... it was, of course, the identity inhabiting this flesh and blood body at the time (1981) who devised what has nowadays become known as the actualism method.

RESPONDENT: ... [but you did not personally] practice method for 13 years ...

RICHARD: Aye, this flesh and blood body most definitely did not put the actualism method into practice in the eleven years between 1981 and 1992 ... it was, of course, the identity who successfully did that.

RESPONDENT: ... and [you did not personally] market method for the next 13 years.

RICHARD: Au contraire ... it being the only method so far to successfully deliver the goods (for as far as has been ascertainable) this flesh and blood body has indeed been promulgating and promoting the actualism method over the last seven years (since 1997) or so.

RESPONDENT: So it follows then that your method was the cause of an acausal state.

RICHARD: The condition of uncaused happiness (freedom from sorrowfulness) and harmlessness (freedom from maliciousness) – otherwise referred to as peace-on-earth, in this lifetime, as this flesh and blood body – already always exists and thus has no cause: what the actualism method does is occasion the extinction of that which is standing in the way of such inconceivable/unimaginable, and thus incomprehensible/unbelievable, perfection being apparent ... to wit: the identity (a psychological/psychic entity) within the flesh and blood body.

There is, of course, no such psychological/psychic entity in actuality ... ‘twas all an illusion/delusion.

RESPONDENT: I’ll agree with that and that is why I think your method does not make sense. It is dependent on an illusion thinking it is not an illusion.

RICHARD: Whereas what the actualism method is really dependent upon is each and every emotional/passional identity getting off their backside – discarding all armchair philosophising for being the delaying tactic it indubitably is in doing so – and giving their undivided attention to how they are experiencing each and every moment of their emotional/passional life.

RESPONDENT: And up until now, the actualism method has not worked for more than the provisionally assumed to be, one human.

RICHARD: As that is one more than any other method has done, for as far as is ascertainable, it is way, way ahead of all the others ... so way ahead, in fact, as to be in another league.

RESPONDENT: And until it does, it can only be considered another delaying tactic ...

RICHARD: As speculation derived from armchair philosophising goes nowhere, and fast, this flesh and blood body will pass without further comment.

RESPONDENT: ... and perhaps even a sport of nature that worked but once for one person.

RICHARD: As the term ‘a sport of nature’ is synonymous with ‘a freak of nature’ the following is worth quoting (as you would be on a hiding to nowhere to pursue that theme with this flesh and blood body):

U.G.: (...) I maintain that whatever has happened to me happened despite everything I did. But you are interested in finding out how and why that particular thing I am talking about has happened to me and not to everybody. You want to establish a cause and effect relationship and make it possible for everybody to stumble into this kind of thing. That is something which cannot be produced or reproduced on an assembly line. It is a freak of nature.
Q: But we would be interested in knowing what the freak of nature was in U.G.
U.G.: Even wanting to understand that has no meaning to you. You just leave it there. There are so many freakish things there in nature. If you try to copy them, you are lost. You are in the same situation as before. Even nature has no use for this body (pointing to his body). It has discarded it because it cannot reproduce something like this either physically or otherwise.
Q: So you have been discarded by nature?
U.G.: Yes, discarded by nature. How can you turn this into a model? That is what we have done to all those discarded people whom we should have discarded for good. (Chapter 11: ‘A Freak of Nature’; ‘Thought Is Your Enemy’; published by Sowmya Publishers; 31, Ahmed Sait Road, Fraser Town, Bangalore 560 005 (Second Edition 1991): www.well.com/user/jct/enemy0.htm).

RESPONDENT: And this little excerpt illustrates that I am on a hiding to nowhere because he uses the same term ‘freak of nature’?

RICHARD: No ... it is because of this:

• [Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti]: ‘... whatever has happened to me happened *despite everything I did*’. [emphasis added].

And this:

• [Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti]: ‘That [a cause and effect relationship] is something which *cannot be produced* ...’. [emphasis added].

And this:

• [Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti]: ‘... it [nature] *cannot reproduce* something like this [that happened to me] either physically or otherwise’. [emphasis added].

Whereas what happened for this flesh and blood body happened *because of everything the identity did* and, as a cause and effect relationship *can and has been produced*, there is every reason why more identities *can indeed reproduce this* that happened for this flesh and blood body.

RESPONDENT: Well it seems you are making my point even easier.

RICHARD: Your ‘point’ – if that is what it can be called – is that what has nowadays become known as the actualism method does not make sense (to you) because it is (according to you) dependent upon an illusion thinking it is not an illusion and (therefore) has not worked for more than one human and, until it does, it can only be considered (by you) as another delaying tactic and, perhaps, even a sport of nature that worked but once for one person.

Whereas, of course, the way in which this flesh and blood body did become free of the human condition (which way has nowadays become known as the actualism method) was not by the emotional/passional identity within thinking ‘he’ was not an illusion but, rather, by ‘him’ getting off ‘his’ backside – discarding all armchair philosophising (about an illusion thinking itself not to be an illusion) for being the delaying tactic it indubitably was in doing so – and giving ‘his’ undivided attention to how ‘he’ was experiencing each and every moment of ‘his’ emotional/passional life.

Thus, unlike Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti, who cannot produce a cause and effect relationship for being in an affective state of being known as ‘Sahaja Samadhi’ in India – which translates as ‘natural state’ in English – and who maintains that nature cannot reproduce such an undivided state of consciousness (even though he names Mr. Gaudapada/ Gowdapada as being in such a state, this flesh and blood body can and does produce a cause and effect relationship that demonstrates what an identity, by getting off its backside, could and did achieve.

Therefore, your ‘point’ (if that is what it can be called) has not at all been made ‘even easier’ just because no other identity, for as far as is ascertainable, has yet to occasion the extinction of that which is standing in the way of such inconceivable/ unimaginable, and thus incomprehensible/ unbelievable, perfection as the condition of uncaused happiness (freedom from sorrowfulness) and harmlessness (freedom from maliciousness) – otherwise referred to as peace-on-earth, in this lifetime, as this flesh and blood body – undeniably is being apparent 24/7 ... to wit: the identity (a psychological/psychic entity) within the flesh and blood body.

RESPONDENT: The supposed cause, your method, has yet to yield its supposed effect, an actual freedom from the human condition ... for one single person, other than yourself.

RICHARD: And if (note ‘if’) it were to have done so already one can only hazard a guess as to what your refrain would have been ... it might very well have taken, by way of example, the following form:

• [example only]: ‘The supposed cause, the actualism method, has yet to yield its supposed effect, an actual freedom from the human condition ... for more than one other person, other than yourself’. [end example].

Or, more realistically, maybe something like this:

• [example only]: ‘The supposed cause, the actualism method, has produced its predictable effect ... a cloned copy of yourself’. [end example].

Or, even more realistically, perhaps this:

• [example only]: ‘The supposed cause, the actualism method, has yet to yield its supposed effect, an actual freedom from the human condition ... that other person, other than yourself, is also on the ego-trip of a life-time or two’. [end example].

And so on and so forth ... ad infinitum.

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RESPONDENT: You are blowing a smoke screen to deflect from the fact that your assembly line has stopped at one and is broken.

RICHARD: No, what this flesh and blood body is doing is showing what that ‘little excerpt’ does illustrate ... to wit: it is it is Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti who is [quote] ‘the ONE, the ONLY, the ONLY ONE, the FIRST and LAST’ [endquote] and [quote] ‘Mr First, Last and the ONLY’ [endquote] and [quote] ‘the ONE, the ONLY, the ONLY ONE, the FIRST, the LAST’ [endquote] and [quote] ‘the one and only, and only one and the first and last one’ [endquote] and [quote] ‘the first and last’ [endquote] and [quote] ‘the first, the only and the last’ [endquote] and [quote] ‘THE FIRST, LAST, AND EVERY HUMAN IN BETWEEN, FREE’ [endquote] and not this flesh and blood body.

RESPONDENT: Of course UGK is the One and the Only One ... the one and only UGK that is ...

RICHARD: That response is about as inane as this one is:

• [Richard]: ‘In all my years of travelling, talking with people, reading, watching media and now the internet I am yet to come across someone who experiences life as I do.
• [Co-Respondent]: ‘Of course; I also have never met anyone who experiences life as I do. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 12d, 22 November 2000).

RESPONDENT: ... [the one and only UGK that is] and that is all he is saying ...

RICHARD: Ha ... Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti is on record as saying that his affective state of being happened [quote] ‘despite everything I did’ [endquote] and that a cause and effect relationship, between being a person with a normal consciousness and being in a state of undivided consciousness [quote] ‘cannot be produced’ [endquote] and that nature [quote] ‘cannot reproduce’ [endquote] that state.

RESPONDENT: ... [and that is all he is saying] ... unlike you.

RICHARD: What this flesh and blood body is saying is that an actual happiness and harmlessness happened [quote] ‘because of everything the identity did’ [endquote] and, as a cause and effect relationship [quote] ‘can and has been produced’ [endquote], there is every reason why more identities [quote] ‘can indeed reproduce this’ [endquote] truly marvellous freedom from sorrowfulness and maliciousness.

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RICHARD: In short: you are confusing this flesh and blood body with the man you like.

RESPONDENT: With that conclusion; Are you as of now withdrawing your previous assertions that you are the first and only human to be free of the human condition as far as you are able to ascertain that unascertainable ascertainment?

RICHARD: The following is what you are on record as proclaiming this flesh and blood body has asserted:

1. ‘the ONE, the ONLY, the ONLY ONE, the FIRST and LAST.
2. ‘Mr First, Last and the ONLY.
3. ‘the ONE, the ONLY, the ONLY ONE, the FIRST, the LAST.
4. ‘the one and only, and only one and the first and last one.
5. ‘the first and last.
6. ‘the first, the only and the last.
7. ‘THE FIRST, LAST, AND EVERY HUMAN IN BETWEEN, FREE’.

As this flesh and blood body has never ever said, written, or even implied, anything of the sort there is nothing to be withdrawn.

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RESPONDENT: You have said that of all the peoples on this planet, UG comes the closest to what you report.

RICHARD: Aye, his state of being, Sahaja Samadhi (aka ‘natural state’), is the furthest one can go, in spiritual enlightenment/ mystical awakenment, without becoming actually free of the human condition ... to not put too fine a point on it: Sahaja Samadhi is generally held to be superior to Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

RESPONDENT: You are throwing out Hindu terms that I am not familiar with ...

RICHARD: The following belies your avowal:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘Just what qualifies Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti as ‘spiritual’?
• [Richard]: ‘Are you familiar with the term ‘Sahaja Samadhi’ (in Sanskrit ‘together-born’ and ‘placed-together’) which is used to designate the natural state of non-duality/ union? If so, the following will be of interest: [snip quote, book reference, and URL].
• [Respondent]: ‘And that little paragraph defines him as spiritual?
• [Richard]: ‘I did preface it with ‘are you familiar with the term ‘Sahaja Samadhi’’ ... for those who are then Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti’s report/ speaks for itself.
• [Respondent]: ‘You’ll have to explain that one.
• [Richard]: ‘To an eastern ear the term ‘sahaja samadhi’ conveys something different from what the translation ‘natural state’ can convey to the western ear (which can create the impression that Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti is non-spiritual) as what is conveyed is deeply embedded in the spiritual heritage of India. In other words, as no materialist in India would ever say they have come into a state of sahaja samadhi (just as no materialist in the west would say ‘I am God’) it is implicit in such a statement that the stater is spiritual to the hilt. To not put too fine a point on it: sahaja samadhi is generally held to be superior to nirvikalpa samadhi.
• [Respondent]: ‘So because he uses certain words and phrases that are part of his culture, like meditation, sahaja samadhi, that makes him spiritual?
• [Richard]: ‘I presume you are referring to this section of the (now snipped) passage: [quote] ‘The pendulum is moving there – the whole of my being is that movement. For hours and hours I can sit here and look at it. You are not interested in that thing; you are interested in something else, some meditation. This individual is always in a state of meditation. ‘Where is that movement?’ I am wondering – that is the meditation that is going on’. [endquote]. And this section: [quote] ‘There is nobody here: I don’t see anything; the whole of my body is reflecting things exactly the way they are out there. The recognising and naming mechanism is in the background except when there is a need for it. This absence of the movement of thought which recognises and names things is the state of samadhi, sahaja (natural) samadhi. You imagine that samadhi is something he goes into and comes out of. Not at all; he’s always there. Whether the eyes of such a man are open or closed, he does not know what he is looking at. A person who has come into such a state of samadhi is like a madman and a child rolled into one’. [endquote]. As no materialist in India would ever say they are always in a state of meditation (just as no materialist in the west would ever say they are always in a state of grace) and, as no materialist in India would ever say they have come into the state of sahaja samadhi (just as no materialist in the west would ever say ‘I am God’), it is implicit in such statements that Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti is spiritual to the hilt’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 53c, 2 April 2004).

RESPONDENT: ... [Hindu terms that I am not familiar with] but I am impressed by your knowledge of such terms.

RICHARD: The knowledge this flesh and blood body has of what those terms refers to is an intimate knowledge ... the identity who resided in this flesh and blood body all those years ago lived that/was that which those terms refer to, night and day, for many years and sought to know what others had made of such affective states of being/undivided states of consciousness.

RESPONDENT: You have done some studying.

RICHARD: Maybe, just maybe, that is one of the many reasons why this flesh and blood body is actually free from the human condition?

RESPONDENT: I haven’t met him.

RICHARD: It is not necessary to.

RESPONDENT: I haven’t met you.

RICHARD: It is not necessary to.

RESPONDENT: I wouldn’t know what state either of you are in, nor do I care.

RICHARD: Yet you have cared enough to not only subscribe to The Actual Freedom Trust mailing list 15 months ago but to type out, and send, 744 e-mails pertaining to the topic of a spiritual freedom within the human condition and an actual freedom from the human condition.

RESPONDENT: You see, ‘I have my own world to live through and I ain’t gonna copy you’. jh

RICHARD: As not all the hippies did cut their hair (and as six never will turn out to be nine) you are obviously yet to ‘dig’ that there is more to life – much, much more – than choking on your own vomit, eh?

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RESPONDENT: This would mean closer than (...) Peter & Vineeto ...

RICHARD: No it does not mean that (neither Peter nor Vineeto are aiming to become actually free from the human condition by following another’s footsteps).

RESPONDENT: Sure Richard ...

RICHARD: It is indeed so ... neither Peter nor Vineeto are aiming to become actually free from the human condition by following the footsteps left by the identity who used to inhabit this flesh and blood body all those years ago.

RESPONDENT: ... [Sure Richard] they repeat your words ad nauseam until it has turned into a choking dogma.

RICHARD: Whatever it is Peter nor Vineeto may or may not be doing, according to you, it still remains a fact that they are not aiming to become actually free from the human condition by following another’s footsteps.

RESPONDENT: You have created them.

RICHARD: Whatever it is this flesh and blood body may or may not have done, according to you, it still remains a fact that neither Peter nor Vineeto are aiming to become actually free from the human condition by following another’s footsteps.

RESPONDENT: They are choking on your teachings.

RICHARD: Whatever it is Peter nor Vineeto may or may not be doing, according to you, it still remains a fact that they are not aiming to become actually free from the human condition by following another’s footsteps.

RESPONDENT: Set them free already.

RICHARD: As the only being who can set anybody free is the one in residence then this flesh and blood body will not be complying with your unsolicited directive.

RESPONDENT: Or do you still need them for financial or other needs?

RICHARD: As this flesh and blood body has never needed Peter or Vineeto for ‘financial or other needs’ your query is a non-sequitur.

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RESPONDENT: And if you are what you claim at every opportunity to be, that would leave you a lonesome freak.

RICHARD: Again, it is not this flesh and blood body that makes those claims ... it is Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti, a ‘lonesome freak’ if there ever was, who does.

RESPONDENT: No disagreement there. He may very well be a lonesome freak.

RICHARD: Aye, yet just because Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti is ‘a lonesome freak’ that does not mean that this flesh and blood body is.

January 30 2005

RICHARD: (...) snip snip snip

RESPONDENT: You promise ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body made no ‘promise’ anywhere at all in the above [now snipped again] or elsewhere for that matter ... and, as the pure consciousness experience (PCE) provides a practical demonstration of life sans identity in toto, no such pledge is even needed (let alone made).

RESPONDENT: What do you call these little statements taken directly from your website: [quote] ‘The method of becoming free from the Human Condition is devastatingly simple but requires a few initial ingredients for success to be guaranteed’ [endquote] and: [quote] ‘The method does work – it is possible to be free of the Human Condition of malice and sorrow – and within a remarkably short time’ [endquote].

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does not have a website ...

RESPONDENT: Oh yes ...

RICHARD: Oh no ... what this flesh and blood body does have is authorial access to, and editorial control over, one portion of The Actual Freedom Trust web site and the section you took those quotes directly from is not that portion. Viz.:

• [Respondent]: ‘Currently we have an educational system that prepares you to earn a livelihood and a religious system that perpetuates the ‘human condition’, and is so enmeshed, inter-twined and is currently the software that is running the human machine – if I have interpreted what you have written correctly.
• [Richard]: ‘Why interpret what I have to report ... why not take it at face value? Viz.: [snip quote]. As this is on *the home page of my portion of The Actual Freedom Trust web site* I am being right up-front and out-in-the-open as to what is ‘the software that is running the human machine’ ... how you can interpret that as meaning the ‘so enmeshed, inter-twined’ educational system/religious system (let alone why you would) instead of taking it at face value has got me stumped’. [emphasis added]. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 53, 27 October 2003).

And even more explicitly:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘I’m grateful for the content [of The Actual Freedom Trust web site] and the attractive interface as well.
• [Richard]: ‘The way the web site is set-up and maintained, other than my portion of it, is all Vineeto’s doing and *the content of the web pages which do not have my name in the URL is either by Peter or Vineeto (unless otherwise referenced) – the entire library, for instance, or the introduction to actual freedom, for another, is not of my doing at all* – and I do not vet anything that either Vineeto or Peter publish on the web site ... meaning that I do not decide, as you put it in another e-mail, what is of value and what is not (when I say there is no authority here in charge of a hierarchical organisation I mean it) as in a PCE actuality speaks for itself.
It is all so simple here. [emphasis added]. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 56, 31 October 2003).

RESPONDENT: ... you are too clever for me and too clever by half Mr Dissociation when it suits your needs ...

RICHARD: As there is no way that dissociation – ‘the state of a person suffering from dissociated personality’ (Oxford Dictionary) – could possibly have anything to do with this flesh and blood body not having a website it would appear that it is you who are being too clever for yourself, and too clever by half, and not just when it suits your needs ... but, rather (if your e-mails are anything to go by), virtually all of the time.

RESPONDENT: ... [when it suits your needs] and I suppose you have no companion ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does indeed have a companion ... and a choice companion at that.

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have] no pension ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does indeed have a pension ... and a hard-won pension to boot.

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have] no automobile ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does not have an automobile ... nor even a driver’s licence, for that matter.

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have] no bank account ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does indeed have a bank account ... what is known as a ‘retirement account’ (a fee-exempt account), actually.

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have] no television set ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does indeed have a television set ... two of them, in fact (one of which is this very monitor these words appear on).

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have no] parents ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body, just as all bodies do, does have progenitors ... both of whom are still alive (aged 96 and 88 years).

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have no] children ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does have progeny ... four adults (all of whom are still alive).

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have no] etc., etc., etc. ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body is unable to specifically comment upon etceteras, of course, but may very well have (at least some of) them too.

RESPONDENT: ... [and I suppose you have no] whatever ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body is unable to specifically comment upon a whatever, of course, but can take a stab at ... at not having it.

RESPONDENT: .... make it up as you go along.

RICHARD: If it is all the same to you this flesh and blood body would rather stay with facts.

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RICHARD: ... those (unreferenced) quotes are taken directly from The Actual Freedom Trust web site and are written by Peter.

RESPONDENT: As I was informed of yesterday ... however, Peter has been informed by you ...

RICHARD: Not only did Peter not get informed, as to what he should or should not write on those two occasions, this flesh and blood body blood body does not vet anything that either he or Vineeto publishes on The Actual Freedom Trust web site for there is indeed no authority here in charge of a hierarchical organisation ... all simply because, as in a pure consciousness experience (PCE) actuality speaks for itself, no such entity is required.

It is all so simple here.

RESPONDENT: ... [As I was informed of yesterday ... however] and as you are the founder ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body is not the founder – ‘a person who sets up or establishes something for the first time; esp. a person who establishes an institution with an endowment for its future maintenance’ (Oxford Dictionary) – of either The Actual Freedom Trust web site or The Actual Freedom Trust itself. Viz.:

• [Richard]: ‘The Actual Freedom Trust is a statutory legal body that *five nominal directors established* in order to operate under for sensible commercial reasons. (snip).
• [Respondent]: ‘What does that mean ‘for sensible commercial reasons’?
• [Richard]: ‘Well, it partly means that the five nominal directors, who established the statutory legal body known as The Actual Freedom Trust, were well aware that they, and any other directors who may take their place one day, live in a litigious society ... but it mainly means that a statutory legal body facilitates all the legal processes and bookkeeping details that are involved in publishing (in order to have an internet domain, for just one instance, there must be a registered business name and number).
It is all just standard business practice’. [emphasis added]. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 53, 25 October 2003).

RESPONDENT: ... [however and as you are the founder] and CEO ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body is not a CEO (Chief Executive Officer/Chairperson and Executive Officer) of any legal body ... as has been explained before:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘... [there is] only 4 million words that you (the trust, which I believe you are the CEO) wants to make known.
[Richard]: ‘First of all, in regards to this ‘CEO’ belief of yours, what part of the following did you not comprehend? Viz.: [Richard]: ‘... there are no fees to pay or any clique to join ... there are no rules at all. *I have no plan whatsoever ... there is no authority here in charge of a hierarchical organisation*’. [emphasis added].(Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 51a, 10 October 2003a).

RESPONDENT: ... [as you are the founder and CEO] the Aussie dollar stops with you ...

RICHARD: As there is no hierarchical organisation there is nowhere for any buck to stop (presuming that is what you mean).

RESPONDENT: ... [the Aussie dollar stops with you] ... take some responsibility for your employees.

RICHARD: As this flesh and blood body has no employees your unsolicited directive cannot be complied with.

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RICHARD: Meanwhile, back to the topic at hand, this flesh and blood body made no ‘promise’ anywhere at all in the above (now snipped again) or elsewhere for that matter and, as the pure consciousness experience (PCE) provides a practical demonstration of life sans identity in toto, no such pledge is even needed (let alone made) ... as the following makes abundantly clear:

RESPONDENT: Yes, you and your PCE’s ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body does not have PCE’s ... and only the name itself stems from this keyboard (PCE’s are universal in their spread and are a property of being human).

RESPONDENT: ... [ you and your PCE’s] ... whatever ...

RICHARD: This flesh and blood body was not referring to ‘whatever’ but to experiences of pure consciousness (the condition of flesh and blood bodies being conscious sans any identity at all).

RESPONDENT: ... [whatever] ... keep singing that tune and I shall keep singing mine.

RICHARD: Woof, woof.

August 04 2005

RESPONDENT No. 90: 1) Why do you think Richard is a fraud?

RESPONDENT: He doesn’t he answer your questions simply and straightforwardly. Because he cannot and because there is no answer. Yet he cannot admit such things, it would destroy his carefully built up self image as a one & only and first & only.

RICHARD: Around about the age of 3 or 4 children discover the power of the word ‘why’ and, typically, will keep on asking it of the answer given irregardless what the answer is (as in ‘but why, Daddy or ‘yes but why, Mummy’ or some variation thereof) until the parent in question finally says, usually in exasperation, ‘because that’s just the way it is’ (or words to that effect) ... mostly they grow out of that stage as they get a little older and a little wiser to the ways of the world.

For whatever reason my co-respondent has seen fit to elevate that knee-jerk childhood trait into being an on-going modus operandi in adulthood – they even have a web site called ‘yes-but-why’ (yesbutwhy.blogspot.com) – and ever since I made it clear that it is but a clever trick/a clever device (as in a sophisma) when utilised by an adult they have switched to using variations thereof (as if I am some kind of idiot that would not notice being taken for a ride).

If you were to look back through all the sequences (bearing the above in mind) you will see that, in the midst of all the otherwise unnecessary to-ing and fro-ing such a modus operandi generates, I do indeed answer the questions simply and straightforwardly ... both because I can and because there is an answer.

October 09 2005

CO-RESPONDENT (to No. 36): (...) I am chipping in here because I think Richard will play with you as a cat plays with mice. If you want a straight answer, here it is: Richard is promoting something entirely different from what you are living/ teaching ...

RICHARD: And I am chipping in here because of what you think ... my very first e-mail to your co-respondent is to be found at the following URL: (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 6 September 2002). http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=905191077

Just in case you cannot access it here it is in its entirety:

• [Respondent No. 36]: ‘I ran across Richard, Peter and Alan’s websites which were delightful to read by the way, very nice indeed. I plan on reading them some more. I liked the music too. I’d like to share some of the stuff, if you don’t mind on my own mailing list, The End of the Rope Ranch, if that’s alright with you guys. Some very good stuff there. Anyway, I wanted to drop in and say hi!

• [Richard]: ‘Welcome to The Actual Freedom Mailing List, No. 36. I accessed the link you provided and it may be apposite to point out early in the piece that an actual freedom is a non-spiritual freedom ... it lies beyond spiritual enlightenment and thus is not at all compatible with what is popularly known as the non-dual perspective.

I look forward with interest, therefore, to your considered appraisal when you do read some more of the web pages and see for yourself what I mean’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 6 September 2002)

If you could explain just how that up-front and out-in-the-open response of mine is me playing [quote] ‘as a cat plays with mice’ [endquote] it would be most appreciated.

RESPONDENT: Don’t mind me chirping in ... thankyou ... now that unnecessary formalities are out of the way ... No. 60 was spot on; instead of answering No. 36, you have answered No. 60 .... is that because you & your team of researchers are still doing the necessary research to counter No. 36’s accusations? You know: dig up old, out of context quotes in an attempt to malicely-free render her integrity/credibility null & void?

Do you play cat & mouse with No. 60 &/or No. 36 because more work is required for you to have No. 36 come out a pathetic second best in this debate, if that?

RICHARD: (01) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909714749 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004)

(02) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909714746 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004a)

(03) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715028 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004b)

(04) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715035 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004c)

(05) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715373 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004d)

(06) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715490 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004e)

(07) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715553 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004f)

(08) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715674 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004g)

(09) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715776 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004h)

(10) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909715869 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004i)

(11) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909716154 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004j)

(12) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909716569 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004k)

(13) http://lists.topica.com/lists/actualfreedom/read/message.html?mid=909716944 (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 36, 15 March 2004l)

December 31 2005

CO-RESPONDENT: Have you ever actually went back and reread your correspondence with Richard? Recently I printed out mine and reread it carefully. It was stunning how many times I clearly did not understand what he was saying fully or how many times I simply did not ‘conclude’ a query but rather left certain aspects of it very ‘loose’ and ‘untied’.

RESPONDENT No. 28: I don’t need to re-read my correspondence with R/P/V. I took time thinking about the subject then and writing accurately. Just because it wasn’t concluded successfully (as in properly regurgitated) doesn’t mean there was any lack of understanding.

RICHARD:

• [No. 28]: ‘I really really tried to understand the purported difference between an ASC and a PCE, but guess what, dey’s da same’. (Sunday, 25/12/2005 3:00 AM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘I have never understood the distinction between ego and soul, as presented in the AF glossary. Soul is apparently the spiritual-seeking part of the makeup ... I don’t see how it is distinguished from ego, at least in my case. Really’. (Friday, 19/03/2004 1:56 PM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘... this sounds just like the awakening/ enlightenment as described by the non-dualist camp: ‘The universe is experiencing its own infinitude as a sensate and reflective human’. [From A Précis Of Actual Freedom]. All you have to do is replace universe with Self or Consciousness or whatever and voila’. (Friday, 23/12/2005 2:40 AM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘... the AF site uses this expression a lot: ‘I am the universe experiencing itself as a human being’. If that isn’t pure advaita, I don’t know what is’. (Thursday, 18/03/2004 1:53 PM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘It is my opinion that capital-C Consciousness and capital-A Actual are in fact the same thing. But only if one doesn’t get wrapped around the axles with certain terminology’. (Friday, 7/05/2004 10:02 PM AEST).

• [No. 28]: ‘Richard, I haven’t figured out, nor expect to. Best guess is that he’s a closet advaitist sage, but is hung up on the spiritual tag that some associate with it’. (Thursday, 18/03/2004 1:53 PM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘I re-cognised in the AF writing something fundamentally important, and attempted to locate its convergence with what I’d suspected to be true, but that effort failed. I grew quite frustrated with the twisty word play, and the fail-safe device of branding with the big ‘S’ (for spiritual). But hey, it’s their gig (...). Where I am now is kinda stuck in the advaita corner ...’. (Thursday, 18/03/2004 AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘I’ve stumbled across actual freedom in my web meanderings (can’t remember the actual path, might have been via some U.G. gleanings) and it hit a major chord. It was clear that this was the refinement of a very similar process I’ve been following for the last several years’. (Wednesday, 2/01/2002 AEDST).

RESPONDENT: And now you all know why Richard does not meet with his fellow humans whom he likes so much and values so highly ...

RICHARD: As I do interact in-person with my fellow human being your hypothesis is without substance.

RESPONDENT: ... because he needs a computer to dig up old relevant or irrelevant quotes, to mount his offence & defence.

RICHARD: I am doing no different, on-line, than in my face-to-face interactions – I often point out, for the sake of clarity in communication, what has been previously spoken – as I would be doing my fellow human being no favour to not draw to their attention what they have overlooked and/or ignored ... for what is the point of having a discussion, be it either verbal or written, on these matters if said discussion is not factually-based?

It is a fact that actualism is not, repeat not, nondualism (aka advaita) ... never has been and never will be.

RESPONDENT: So there you have the 1st & last free human ...

RICHARD: You are confusing this flesh and blood body with the man you like. Viz.:

• [Mr. Uppaluri Krishnamurti]: ‘I maintain that whatever has happened to me happened despite everything I did. But you are interested in finding out how and why that particular thing I am talking about has happened to me and not to everybody. You want to establish a cause and effect relationship and make it possible for everybody to stumble into this kind of thing. That is something which cannot be produced or reproduced on an assembly line. It is a freak of nature’. (Chapter 11: ‘A Freak of Nature’; ‘Thought Is Your Enemy’; published by Sowmya Publishers; 31, Ahmed Sait Road, Fraser Town, Bangalore 560 005 (Second Edition 1991): www.well.com/user/jct/enemy0.htm).

RESPONDENT: ... apparently the human race is doomed.

RICHARD: In the world according to you ... gee, that could very well be the case.

December 31 2005

RESPONDENT: Hey Richard ... now why don’t you tell us why you really took a 7 week hiatus from this virtual loony bin? In this day & age, computer problems tend to be resolved before 2 lunar cycles.

RICHARD: You are, presumably, referring to this:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘We all want to know. Why were you gone and what brought you back to the site? (...) The why in my previous question was more in the way of asking ‘what were you doing?’.
• [Richard]: ‘Just for starters: I ceased writing, on Wednesday, the second of November, in order have an uninterrupted two-three days in which to put together a different version of the actualism screensaver (version ActualFreedomSS1.2), for inclusion in the DVD’s that were, by then, about to be released by The Actual Freedom Trust, and I ran into some technical difficulties – not the least of which was a DVD burner/ reader causing the computer to freeze/ crash – and by the time all that was sorted out, what with one thing or another, something like ten days to a fortnight had passed by. (...) I had not intended to be off-line for a while – other than the two-three days already mentioned – and it was as much a case of days becoming weeks as anything else’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No.94a, 27 December 205)

As it turned out that the DVD burner/ reader required being replaced under warranty (after first searching for, and installing, the latest drivers; after then searching for, and flashing it, with the latest firmware, after then swapping the ribbon-cable around to a different IE channel) it did indeed take something like ten days to a fortnight to resolve the computer problem.

One of the other technical difficulties, referred to in the above quote, lay in getting the screensaver software to replay sound files ... eventually that problem was resolved (after first downloading and installing the latest version to no avail; after then installing it on another computer to no avail also) by a trial and error process which led to the discovery that it all had to do with the bit-rate sampling (the screensaver software was written before High Definition became available). (Editor’s note: The screensaver is no longer available due to its incompatibility with Windows 8)

In regards to the next five weeks: as I am not about to provide a day-to-day description of what occupied me suffice is it to say for now that, amongst other things, I was doing some detailed research so as to gather more background information for another project which may, or may not, be one day be released for publication under the aegis of The Actual Freedom Trust.

If nothing else such research makes me better-informed.

January 04 2006

CO-RESPONDENT: Have you ever actually went back and reread your correspondence with Richard? Recently I printed out mine and reread it carefully. It was stunning how many times I clearly did not understand what he was saying fully or how many times I simply did not ‘conclude’ a query but rather left certain aspects of it very ‘loose’ and ‘untied’.

RESPONDENT No. 28: I don’t need to re-read my correspondence with R/P/V. I took time thinking about the subject then and writing accurately. Just because it wasn’t concluded successfully (as in properly regurgitated) doesn’t mean there was any lack of understanding.

RICHARD:

• [No. 28]: ‘I really really tried to understand the purported difference between an ASC and a PCE, but guess what, dey’s da same’. (Sunday, 25/12/2005 3:00 AM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘I have never understood the distinction between ego and soul, as presented in the AF glossary. Soul is apparently the spiritual-seeking part of the makeup ... I don’t see how it is distinguished from ego, at least in my case. Really’. (Friday, 19/03/2004 1:56 PM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘... this sounds just like the awakening/ enlightenment as described by the non-dualist camp: ‘The universe is experiencing its own infinitude as a sensate and reflective human’. [From A Précis Of Actual Freedom]. All you have to do is replace universe with Self or Consciousness or whatever and voila’. (Friday, 23/12/2005 2:40 AM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘... the AF site uses this expression a lot: ‘I am the universe experiencing itself as a human being’. If that isn’t pure advaita, I don’t know what is’. (Thursday, 18/03/2004 1:53 PM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘It is my opinion that capital-C Consciousness and capital-A Actual are in fact the same thing. But only if one doesn’t get wrapped around the axles with certain terminology’. (Friday, 7/05/2004 10:02 PM AEST).

• [No. 28]: ‘Richard, I haven’t figured out, nor expect to. Best guess is that he’s a closet advaitist sage, but is hung up on the spiritual tag that some associate with it’. (Thursday, 18/03/2004 1:53 PM AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘I re-cognised in the AF writing something fundamentally important, and attempted to locate its convergence with what I’d suspected to be true, but that effort failed. I grew quite frustrated with the twisty word play, and the fail-safe device of branding with the big ‘S’ (for spiritual). But hey, it’s their gig (...). Where I am now is kinda stuck in the advaita corner ...’. (Thursday, 18/03/2004 AEDST).

• [No. 28]: ‘I’ve stumbled across actual freedom in my web meanderings (can’t remember the actual path, might have been via some U.G. gleanings) and it hit a major chord. It was clear that this was the refinement of a very similar process I’ve been following for the last several years’. (Wednesday, 2/01/2002 AEDST).

RESPONDENT: And now you all know why Richard does not meet with his fellow humans whom he likes so much and values so highly ...

RICHARD: As I do interact in-person with my fellow human being your hypothesis is without substance.

RESPONDENT: You had said previously that you do not meet with people interested in this sort of a thing (i.e. – No. 18) ... that you do not socialise, that you do not do dinner parties.

RICHARD: I will first draw your attention to what you have to say a little further below:

• [Respondent]: ‘It is one thing to go by memory & another to query a computer database’. [endquote].

It is indeed one thing to go by memory (rather than the archives) ... memory is notoriously selective, on occasion, and your words above are such an occasion.

RESPONDENT: If you have since changed your tune, I stand (or sit) corrected.

RICHARD: As what you have gone on memory by is not my tune then in order to either stand or sit corrected it is your tune which needs changing.

*

RESPONDENT: ... because he needs a computer to dig up old relevant or irrelevant quotes, to mount his offence & defence.

RICHARD: I am doing no different, on-line, than in my face-to-face interactions – I often point out, for the sake of clarity in communication, what has been previously spoken – as I would be doing my fellow human being no favour to not draw to their attention what they have overlooked and/or ignored ... for what is the point of having a discussion, be it either verbal or written, on these matters if said discussion is not factually-based? It is a fact that actualism is not, repeat not, nondualism (aka advaita) ... never has been and never will be.

RESPONDENT: It is one thing to go by memory & another to query a computer database.

RICHARD: Aye, computer archives are (a) accurate ... and (b) date-marked ... (c) undeniable.

RESPONDENT: You are fond of saying that matter is not passive ...

RICHARD: I report/ describe/ explain that, here in this actual world, matter is not merely passive ... for instance:

• [Co-Respondent]: ‘Richard, actualism is experiencing that matter is not merely passive ... what does it mean?
• [Richard]: ‘Another way of saying it is that actualism is the direct experience that matter is not inert.
• [Co-Respondent]: ‘If you have a stone in your hand (matter), it is passive right?
• [Richard]: ‘Only in the real-world.
• [Co-Respondent]: ‘[Merriam-Webster Dictionary]: passive: not acting or operating; inert’. [endquote]. The stone in the hand does not act or operate (at the moment you are holding in the hand), right?
• [Richard]: ‘In the real-world ... yes; in actuality ... no.
• [Co-Respondent]: ‘How is it not passive?
• [Richard]: ‘In actuality matter is vibrant, potent ... literally everything material is intrinsically active, vigorous. This fundamental dynamism, this elemental efficacy, is the very actuality of all existence – the actualness of everything – as matter itself, being of infinite perpetuance/ eternal perdurability, is anything but inoperative (passive) or inactive (inert).
And wherever/ whenever this perennial matter is sentient the potential exists for it to be conscious of its own essential nature’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 66, 26 May 2005)

RESPONDENT: ... yet you hold any & all correspondents to their decaying words from yesteryear ...

RICHARD: Hmm ... a classic example of what going by memory can do to comprehension and understanding (of what ‘not merely passive’ means) if there ever was.

RESPONDENT: ... no matter how irrelevant or out of context.

RICHARD: As the context is just sitting there in plain view, at the top of this page, rendering the quotes in question entirely relevant, your latest hypothesis is also without substance ... so much so that perhaps this may be an apt occasion to re-post the following:

• [Richard]: ‘Has it not dawned upon you by now that none of what you have had to say about an actual freedom from the human condition has been even worth the time and bandwidth you use to compose and send it ... not one word of it?
• [Respondent]: ‘Yes sir. I have no argument with that’. (Thursday, 1/04/2004 11:07 AM AEST).


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