(List D refers to Richard’s List D
Vineeto’s Correspondence with Josef on Discuss Actualism JOSEF: This is amazing and answers a lot of questions I’ve had over the years, thank
you! So is there an additional step to feeling good after you’ve stopped feeding the feeling? Is it the backing out
of habitual emotional patterns that facilitates feeling good? I’ve noticed sometimes that this is usually enough to
get me to neutral, and then feeling good becomes a “oh of course!” kind of thing. Sometimes though, I will
remain in neutral. Perhaps that’s a sign that I’m still stuck in another emotional pattern. But instead I’ll
try to push myself from neutral to feeling good and this usually backfires. VINEETO: Hi Josef, Ok, one obstacle is removed, a bad habit which you identified and declined to repeat, well done. Have you patted yourself on the back for it? Is there another feeling-bad habit still lurking behind the first? Yes there is, the habit to push yourself! To understand this habitual pattern and stop feeding it, you need to grasp that ‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feeling are ‘me’ – ‘your’ feelings are not something out there removed from ‘you’ that can be pushed into a different position like chess figures. Here Richard, or rather his co-respondent explains this in detail – [emphasis in original]. (Thursday 28/10/2004 6:55 PM AEST). And again there is a reference to how ‘almost too easy’ actualism is. The funny aspect is, as Kuba
Dissociating oneself from oneself can be quite an ingrained habit and it is well worth to establish a habitual affective attentiveness to be able to catch it/decline it when it is happening. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, You just took the wrong turn-off – here is the sign, just like at all wrong entries on Australian high-ways: “Wrong Way, TURN BACK”. Without the pure intent to be happy and harmless there is no way you can give yourself a categorically overarching permission for “forsaking all other directives, missives, constitutions, allotments, franchises, contracts, agreements, treaties, implied or otherwise.” This is not “audacity”, this is plainly your “subversive tendency” taking back command. Please, first find out experientially about pure intent before being guided by “audacity” and
other fool-hardy actions. JOSEF: Hi Vineeto, I have to admit this reply surprised me quite a bit. It seems to me like you are trying to “gate keep” feeling good somehow. I thought Andrew was spot on here as it’s the approach I have also been following recently with decent success. Too often in the real world we are so prone to feeling bad for even the smallest reason. This audacity he mentions seems like exactly what is needed to feel good “come what may”. VINEETO: Hi Josef, The reason I answered Andrew in such categorical terms is because he expressed his intent in categorical terms –
I emphasized the categorical aspects in Andrew’s permission to himself, so you might better
understand my reply. As Claudiu pointed out already JOSEF: I think (correct me if I’m wrong) you’re trying to highlight the harmless part of the equation. That being happy without being harmless can come with causing harm to others for the sake of your own happiness? VINEETO: Yes, you are correct. In the beginning one’s attempt to feel good and be happy can be misconstrued as licentiousness and self-indulgence. If one only has the aim to just feel a little better whilst staying firmly ensconced in the human condition, the large variety of self-help books and consultants would be sufficient. JOSEF: Even if pure intent was not present, the prescription of feeling good come what may could
lift the majority of the population out of the seriousness and despair that plagues the real world. VINEETO: “The prescription of feeling good come what may” is an invitation to utterly disregard everyone else but ‘me’, the passionate identity, to follow their instincts of fear, aggression, nurture and desire. How does this “prescription” “lift the majority of the population out of the seriousness and despair”? “The prescription of feeling good come what may” is more accurately described as the law of the jungle where not no socialisation is curbing the basic instinctual survival passions. I am not saying that this is what you had in mind when you wrote what you did, but it is nevertheless vital to carefully think through your prescription and consider the consequences of what you are proposing for “the majority of the population”. Here is the third alternative to being selfishly following feeling good regardless and living in “seriousness and despair” as you put it –
And –
As you can see, Richard starts with the intent “to bring about a direct experience of the actual” by imitating the actual. The overarching intent is to experience life free from the dominance of the ‘I’/ ‘me’ as much and as often as possible. This is achieved by applying the actualism method: “one minimises the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings”. If one only has the aim to just feel a little better whilst staying firmly ensconced in the human condition, the large variety of self-help books and consultants would be sufficient. And this explained what to do in detail –
Does this make it more clear for you? CLAUDIU: If Andrew goes ahead with his unilateral command to effectively do whatever he
(self-centrically) wants without regards to any consequences and without the capacity for anybody else to do anything
whatsoever to change his mind about any of it, without pure intent in place… the effect will most
likely be for that “wayward self” to … go wayward. JOSEF: I don’t think that’s what he said at all. He said he would give himself permission to feel good, happy & harmless unilaterally. I don’t see any mention of doing whatever he wants (self-centrically) without consideration for anyone else. And even in practice, I have found that the actualism feeling good (not good feelings), is so blithesome and benign in its nature that it is always accompanied by harmlessness. If it’s not, usually there is some good feeling (like greed, or power, or pride) that is tainting the feeling good. VINEETO: Hi Josef, I am pleased to read you know by experience that “the actualism feeling good” needs to include being harmless in order to be untainted by “greed, or power, or pride”. Perhaps you simply assumed that Andrew would experience it the same way? In fact, this is what feeling being Vineeto expressed as well –
CLAUDIU: Pure intent will ensure that sensibility will prevail (…) JOSEF: Again, the feeling good come what may that I’ve been having success with recently has a lack of malice as a quality, so consideration for others is also a part of it. CLAUDIU: I don’t think this is really a very high bar, (…) JOSEF: This is why I called it gatekeeping. VINEETO: Knowing the human condition as well as I do (having experienced as a feeling being the full extent of ‘I’ am humanity and humanity is ‘me’) I am much more careful to make a-priory assumptions. As is now the second time that you used the word “gatekeeping” I wonder if there is
perhaps an emotional issue/ investment for you such as frustration that you have trouble to experience a PCE or a
resentment against authority? So that this post doesn’t get too long, I simply refer you to a link You have stated yourself you discovered that to be genuinely feeling good requires “a lack of malice as a quality, so consideration for others is also a part of it”. This is excellent. It seems to me that a sincere intent is operating for you in regards of enjoyment and appreciation. Richard’s warning (and mine), what you call “gatekeeping”, is specifically designed regarding the inculcated rules of society which curb the excess of the instinctual passions, i.e. the “wayward self”. In the absence of the experience of the overarching stream of benignity and benevolence originating – not in ‘your’ fears and desires but outside the human condition – in the vast and utter stillness of the universe, the socialized conscience and principles of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ cannot be safely whittled away – you would harm both yourself and others following only ‘your’ self-centric guide. JOSEF: I don’t have pure intent if the strict definition is that is has to be born of a PCE. I
don’t have a good memory of a PCE. But I do have the intent that I don’t ever want to feel miserable again. That
I want to be in a good mood each and every moment again. I’ve seen how beneficial it is for myself and others when
I am feeling good. But should I not start on this path unless I meet the strict definition of having pure intent? VINEETO: Here is what you wrote in October 2022 as the first entry of your journal –
Does this experience perhaps give you a clue why you are able to recognize that genuinely feeling good requires “a lack of malice as a quality”, and “consideration for others”? It is the source of your intent which defines the quality of ‘feeling good’ and informs you which one is genuine and which one is dictated by the “wayward self”. As long as you pay attention to this qualitative difference of your intent and rememorate the distinct flavour of this “new way of experiencing” you had during the PCE, you are precisely acting according to Richard’s warning. VINEETO: As is now the second time that you used the word “gatekeeping” I wonder if there is
perhaps an emotional issue/ investment for you such as frustration that you have trouble to experience a PCE or a
resentment against authority? So that this post doesn’t get too long, I simply refer you to a link JOSEF: Yes, I am frustrated that I haven’t been able to have a PCE after the one you linked later on in the post. This was a drug-induced PCE, so for me it doesn’t feel “solid” or “clean” and I seriously doubt its veracity. VINEETO: Hi Josef, I appreciate your reply. The feeling of frustration falls in the category of resentment, and anger, and is certainly interfering with feeling good. I perfectly understand from ‘Vineeto’s’ experience how it feels and why it is happening but it is nevertheless an emotional occurrence that is advisable to not only to look at but to do away with altogether (resentment against, or blaming anything or anyone (including yourself) for apparently standing in the way of what ‘you’ want).
You see, when you understand resentment this way, as a complaint/ blame to divert attention from ‘you’ (the only person you can change), then it may be easier to see that it is silly to maintain this automatic reaction/ habit. Focussing the attention to where it belongs, the fact of being resentment, at the time of experiencing it, the very attention allows you to be felicitous instead (it’s often not even a decision but a natural consequence, just as you stop wiggling your toes the moment you become aware of it). Then, feeling good, you can check what is behind or underneath the frustration – perhaps
impatience, or perhaps the conviction it’s your right to have a PCE now because …, or any other ‘self’-generated
belief, attitude or principle. And it could be this very resentment standing in the way of allowing a PCE to happen.
(see also * VINEETO: Does this experience perhaps give you a clue why you are able to recognize that
genuinely feeling good requires “a lack of malice as a quality”, and “consideration
for others”? JOSEF: I am able to recognize feeling good, but it’s not from
that PCE. I would say it’s from the few EEs and numerous times I’ve felt good/great. I wonder if this is enough? VINEETO: It’s good to hear that you had a few excellence experiences which inform you of what is possible and the direction which you are aiming at. There were also enough clues in your description of “that PCE” to indicate that it was genuine – such as “it was as if I was seeing everything for the first time again” and “there was a very high level of sensuous appreciation. But the key aspect for me was time. Past and future were completely gone and it felt like I could stay in this moment forever.” And specifically this one: “It was a new way of experiencing entirely, and it was very pure and I would say close to perfect. It was the same world but like a different one within that same one. Like a veneer being pulled back.” It could be that when you say today, almost three years after the PCE, that “it doesn’t feel ”solid“ or ”clean“ and I seriously doubt its veracity”, this interpretation may well be from ‘me’ having taken over full control again over your memory of the PCE. So, if you are able to re-vivify the flavour of this experience it might help you to more reliably and puissantly connect to pure intent. In the meantime you can rely on the memory of your EEs – but second best is never “enough” when you aim for perfection, isn’t it? Claudiu and myself have updated the Library page on Pure Intent VINEETO: You see, when you understand resentment this way, as a complaint/ blame to divert attention from ‘you’ (the only person you can change), then it may be easier to see that it is silly to maintain this automatic reaction/ habit. Focussing the attention to where it belongs, the fact of being resentment, at the time of experiencing it, the very attention allows you to be felicitous instead (it’s often not even a decision but a natural consequence, just as you stop wiggling your toes the moment you become aware of it). Then, feeling good, you can check what is behind or underneath the frustration – perhaps
impatience, or perhaps the conviction it’s your right to have a PCE now because …, or any other ‘self’-generated
belief, attitude or principle. And it could be this very resentment standing in the way of allowing a PCE to happen.
(see also JOSEF: Yes, I am starting to focus on this resentment and tackle it. It’s not just about this PCE, but I can see that my general approach to life is also filled with resentment. I’m mired in a world of “shoulds”; things that I have to do rather want to do. I view work like this, as well as most things besides anything that has quick gratification (e.g. playing video games, eating delicious food). VINEETO: Hi Josef, This is a great description of resentment if there ever was. However, you cannot ‘get rid’ of resentment by rejection of having one emotion and choose having another like changing black chess-pieces with white ones. Now that you acknowledged that you experience resentment, the first thing is to stop fighting
it and stop blaming yourself as well. Any battle against yourself only fuels the feelings by increasing
the power of ‘you’ to make you feel bad. Personally, feeling being ‘Vineeto’ found that the moment she
stopped fighting the feeling (i.e. by objecting to it), it instantly diminished. Then you can more easily get back to
feeling good and from this vantage point contemplate for instance what Claudiu wrote to you
JOSEF: Seems like I’m being dragged around by my life rather directing it. I desire the opposite. I want to be here, to enjoy living in this moment. But it’s clear to me that that is not what I am being at all. Even the specifics of my life don’t seem to matter much, as this attitude is all encompassing and will use anything undesirable as an excuse to fuel the resentment of being alive. VINEETO: You say you are being “dragged around by my life” when in fact you are dragged around by your feelings (like most people are). The difference to most people is that you have the opportunity to pay diligent attention to whichever feelings prevent you from feeling good, from being happy and harmless, and this very attention and awareness of being the feeling allows you to choose to being a different affective experience. It is important not to keep your undesired feelings at arms length but to acknowledge that this is who you are as a feeling being. This very awareness that you are your feelings allows you to choose to be the felicitous feelings instead. When you say I don’t want to be resentful – “I desire the opposite. I want to be here, to enjoy living in this moment” you are misunderstanding what being happy and enjoying living means. Being (unconditionally) happy is what happens when there are no obstacles in the way for being happy. Just watch young children. They are happy and full of energy – unless something is amiss. As soon as parents fix/ provide what is amiss (change diapers, provide food, plaster on the scratched knee, etc.) their good mood returns. You can do the same – pay attention to what you experience affectively and then decline/ dissolve the obstacles to feeling good and feeling good returns. Then you take note of the trigger which brought up the obstacle in the first place and sort it out, so it won’t interfere with your feeling good at the next occasion. JOSEF: Seeing all of this has been a breath of fresh air and has lifted my cynicism a little, even though I have only scratched the surface. I’m not sure when it became like this, as I was quite a happy kid. But between job responsibilities (I view work as something I am forced to do; I resent working to live), I somehow became a real downer. The sun is shining again. VINEETO: This breath of fresh air is excellent – so you are looking in the right direction. Happy kids become serious adults and have to re-discover their joy of life and naiveté again. Investigate your cynicism and your victim/ entitlement mentality that someone else owes you a living (“I resent working to live”) and see how ultimately silly and self-destructive it is. Become “a happy kid” again with adult sensibilities. * VINEETO: It could be that when you say today, almost three years after the PCE, that “it doesn’t feel ”solid“ or ”clean“ and I seriously doubt its veracity”, this interpretation may well be from ‘me’ having taken over full control again over your memory of the PCE. JOSEF: I was thinking about this, and there may be some truth
to it. When I rememorate the EE, there’s something to latch onto, namely those felicitous and innocuous feelings
which are still affective. But when I think of the PCE, there’s nothing because I was so minimized. I don’t even
know how to remember it, so I guess in my cynicism I resolved that it’s best to not even try. VINEETO: This cynicism seems to permeate many areas of your life – it will be a big change for the better when you pay close attention to it. It may have been the single-most deciding factor that no PCEs have happened for a while. Cynicism is the very antithesis of naiveté. I wish you best of success in rediscovering your naiveté.
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