December 6 2024

VINEETO: In her period of being out-from-control Pamela commented on how much better this experience (of being in an ongoing excellence experience) was compared to her 5-months PCE, and she explained that her PCE was a static experience while being out-from-control was exemplified by the progress of coming closer and closer to the actual world. (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Ian, 5 December 2024).

ED: Is it considered dynamic because there are still dips in affect?

VINEETO: No, it’s because one is moving closer and closer to one’s final goal.

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VINEETO: From here you can look closer at what possible objections there might be for ‘you’ to abdicating the throne, and whatever else prevents you from allowing the final transition to happen. (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Ian, 5 December 2024).

ED: Is it because these objections are present as presence in the excellence experience? Thus preventing the PCE but a presence to reflect upon & explore?

VINEETO: No, they are not “present as presence”, they simply can make themselves felt unlike in a PCE where ‘I’ am in abeyance.

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ED: Feeling-being Vineeto must have been feeling good before her immolation, but can you recall the dirtiness that you were still dealing with at the time? Might you be able to recall any objections or worries you had moments before becoming free? Hours before? Days before? [I blew the last remaining cobwebs of seriousness, cautiousness and social correctness out of the corners of my psyche. – were there any beliefs behind the seriousness, cautiousness, and social correctness you can recall?]

VINEETO: You can read more details in my answers in the Direct Route correspondence, where I recorded the events at the time. All I remember now is what has been written on the AFT website. ‘Her’ emotional memories (“the dirtiness”) have disappeared along with ‘her’ identity. Besides, everyone has their own sequence of dismantling their social identity and remnant obstacles to becoming free. Viz.:

Richard: Of course, the situation and circumstances (cutting down long grass in an abandoned cow-paddock preparatory to planting trees) were peculiar to me and my context at that time and had I been some other person in some other context I could very well have been washing the dishes, for example, or riding a bicycle.

And had I been some other person in some other context the salutary realisation would have been different too ... meaning that only the particular person can know what they must do – and they will not know what that is until it happens – and when they do know what to do it will be too late to stop the happening.

Hence all the procrastination – it means the end of ‘me’ – because it can, and will, happen just here right now. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 94a, 30 December 2005)

ED: And did this out-from-control excellence experience (?) cease being excellent during the mutiny – which seemed to cause alarm for feeling-being Vineeto? Did the out-from-control experience lose its excellence during this time and was it just a matter of ‘coming-down’ from the initial high of the alarm? Was there any contemplation going on, conflict between staying or going?

VINEETO: You are probably referring to this –

Vineeto to [List D, No. 4]: “In the early morning of December 29, 2009, feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ was overtaken by a panic attack, which convinced ‘her’ that, although everything written on the website was coherent, correct and a valid description of the actual world as ‘she’ had experienced it in ‘her’ own PCEs, seeing Richard to be insane who needed to be feared and avoided. (The reason why Peter wasn’t infected was because he had seen it all before when this happened to Devika/Irene).

This second panic only lasted for 3 days but because it happened during the out-from-control virtual freedom it turned into an out-of-control panic mode. Only ‘her’ decade-long training in keeping ‘her’ hands in ‘her’ pockets and neither repress nor express the intense feelings racing through ‘her’ allowed the extreme situation to subside so soon afterwards … and look where I am today.” (Actualism, ActualVineeto, No. 4(D), #fas)

The explanation for it can be found in the first third of that message I wrote to [List D, No. 4] on January 7 2013 and it is self-explanatory –

Vineeto: Now I know, from personal experience, what the underlying cause is for [No. 4’s] whole elaborate international campaign. First let me present it in his own words –

Epitaph

[No. 4]: ‘The principal ‘mutineers’ were Pamela and Vineeto, both of whom are now actually free.

They were experiencing something that seems to be almost mandatory at some point on the road to actual freedom: *seeing Richard as a dangerous lunatic*.

Welcome aboard ;-)

Cheers, [No. 4.]’ (Message 9229, 5.3.2010) [emphases added].

It appears that this “almost mandatory” experiencing is no longer “mandatory” because several people have become actually free since 2009/2010 and none of them reported a significant fear of insanity.

Ha, can you see how it becomes easier and easier for each subsequent pioneer?

Cheers Vineeto

March 6 2025

Richard: I was therefore commenting that (in this specific instance) Indias’ paramount contribution to the retardation of evolution over the last 3,000 to 5,000 years (in that after maybe the millions of years of evolution necessary to evolve thought, thoughts and thinking (intelligence) in one animal species alone, the Masters and the Gurus and the Avatars and all the God-Men would have us value being thoughtless and mindless as if that is the highest virtue one can aspire to) is part of the mosaic of the evolutionary process and would soon become superseded when a mutation more fitted for survival takes precedence over such fantasy. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, List B, No. 33b, 29 Nov 1999).

(Actualism, ActualVineeto, Kuba 5, 19 February 2025).

KUBA: There is no reason why those holy men could not have gone all the way, instead they became enlightened and brought insanity back with them.

ED: Many of those men were uneducated and steeped in religious beliefs during a time-period lacking the scientific discoveries we enjoy. It’s possible they had strong religious beliefs in place before their enlightenments, and would have little to no reason to question it if they did not have a memory of the PCE.

Religions would have existed with or without enlightenment as a means to explain the world. And feeling beings would have fought to protect those beliefs. It’s hard to separate the enlightened men from it as they were influenced by religion and they influenced religion.

VINEETO: Hi Ed,

You gave an exonerative speech why nobody before Richard could have discovered an actual freedom but your facts are incorrect.

For instance, Richard was not “reasonably wealthy” – he had to work hard for his living, including from early childhood.

Richard: Having been born and raised on a dairy farm in the south-west of this country I have an affinity for the remote lifestyle (my progenitors were pioneer settlers carving a farm by hand out of virgin forest and sowing grasslands for animal husbandry). In this context I had a normal birth and upbringing (a bucolic lifestyle); I was educated in a normal state-run rural school (where being dux of the class came easy); I took on a typical occupation at age fifteen (full-time farming) becoming a high-school dropout in the process; I volunteered for a six-year stint in the military at seventeen (in a water-transport unit); I served my time in an overseas war at nineteen (on an army landing ship); I entered into a commonplace marriage upon my return (a knobstick wedding); I had a regular family, just as most peoples do, and, although I had about forty-to-fifty different jobs during my post-military itinerant-lifestyle working life – such as First Mate on an Arnhem Land landing craft, for instance, and as barman-cum-deckhand on a Coral Coast tourist ship, for example – my main occupation, having obtained a tertiary education with certified accreditation in the fine arts in my late-twenties, was as a part-time art teacher and a practicing artist (mainly in ceramics).

As both a boy and as a youth I personally used hand-held cross-cut saws and axes to help cut down and/or ring-bark the trees to make pasture land; I was involved in the fencing and ploughing and sowing and harvesting; I hunted game in the forest and helped raise domesticated animals; I tended the gardens and orchards and crops; I assisted in building sheds (barns) and outhouses from forest timber and learned improvisation from the ingenuity required in ‘making do’ with minimal commercial supplies. There was no plumbing, sewage, telephone, or electricity umbilicals (in effect, living the ‘off-grid’ lifestyle some forty years before the term was coined) – I went to bed with a candle and to the outdoor latrine with a kerosene lantern – thus no freezer, no electric kitchen gadgets, no record players, no videos, no television, no computer, and etcetera. (Richard, Personal Web Page)

He also had to work up to 12-14 hrs a day 6-7 days a week to support a family of six –

Richard: I found myself in a situation where I was married and raising four children. (Richard, AF List, No. 27e, 5 April 2003).

Richard: I gradually transformed myself from an itinerant worker (I worked at maybe 40-50 different jobs during my peregrinations) into a full-blown artist by enrolling at an art-college, full-time for three years, and practising same 12-14 hours a day 6-7 days a week, in the years after graduating, so as to support and provide for five other peoples as well as myself. (Richard, AF List, No. 25j, 7 May 2006).

After he became enlightened, he was even less “reasonably wealthy” to the point where he had

Richard: “... whittled my worldly possessions down to three sarongs, three shirts, a cooking pot and bowl, a knife and a spoon, a bank book and a pair of nail scissors. I possessed nothing else anywhere in the world and cut all family ties. During that period I was homeless, itinerant, celibate, vegan, (no spices; not even salt and pepper), no drugs (no tobacco, no alcohol; not even tea or coffee), no hair cut, no shaving, no washing other than a dip in a river or the ocean ... in short: whatever I could eliminate from my life that was an encumbrance and an attachment, I had let go of.” (Richard, List B, No. 21b, 23 March 2000).

Richard always maintained the Saints and Seers and Holy Men had ‘Feet of Clay’ because just like Richard they would be well aware at some instances of their enlightened state that there was a flaw, in that they experienced occasional bouts of anger or sadness, and furthermore that enlightenment was only a ‘perfect’ solution after death and therefore useless to every single human being still living. As Richard reported that everyone he spoke to at length could remember a PCE, often from childhood, your absolvitory argument falls flat on its face on that account as well. And as for certain recent discoveries, at least the enlightened masters of the last century since Darwin could have made use of this knowledge.

In, short, it was not the extraneous circumstances, which enabled Richard to go all the way, no matter the difficulties involved, but ‘his’ personal mettle. Additionally ‘he’ had the plain common sense not to fall for the fallacy, which “would have us value being thoughtless and mindless as if that is the highest virtue one can aspire to”. After all, it was the mailing list established to discuss Jiddu Krishnamurti’s Teaching on which he wrote the above paragraph. This attitude of disparaging thought and thus human intelligence, and not religion in general, is what made India stand out in its “paramount contribution to the retardation of evolution”.

Why are you so eager to exonerate the enlightened masters and the ancient wisdom they peddled for 3000-5000 years of human history, and why you even try to argue that only Richard’s circumstances were propitious enough, of the 12-15 billion people who have lived until now and/or are alive now, that he was the only person to be not “influenced by religion”?

I just want to have it on record that it’s not extraneous circumstances, with all the modern technology thrown in for good measure, which allow a person today to become free from the human condition. Something else is required.

Cheers Vineeto

March 7 2025

Richard: I was therefore commenting that (in this specific instance) Indias’ paramount contribution to the retardation of evolution over the last 3,000 to 5,000 years (in that after maybe the millions of years of evolution necessary to evolve thought, thoughts and thinking (intelligence) in one animal species alone, the Masters and the Gurus and the Avatars and all the God-Men would have us value being thoughtless and mindless as if that is the highest virtue one can aspire to) is part of the mosaic of the evolutionary process and would soon become superseded when a mutation more fitted for survival takes precedence over such fantasy. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, List B, No. 33b, 29 November 1999).

Vineeto: I just want to have it on record that it’s not extraneous circumstances, with all the modern technology thrown in for good measure, which allow a person today to become free from the human condition. Something else is required. (Actualism, ActualVineeto, Ed, 6 March 2025).

ED: I appreciate you going on record to clarify that it’s not extraneous circumstances which allowed Richard to become actually free in case someone else might be confused. I don’t want my comments on circumstances to appear reductionist.

VINEETO: Hi Ed,

Thank you Ed.

What I appreciate about Richard’s original quote is that it emphasized the wide-spread presence of the teachings and ramifications of enlightenment having been the summum bonum for millennia. Out of this arose the morals and ethics, many of which still hold sway world-wide. Love/ Divine Love, and compassion/ Divine Compassions were not just mere ‘human’ values to choose or not to choose but inherent features of the human condition itself and as such almost universally valued. That means, if one goes far enough into the ‘good’ feelings then one automatically transfigures malice and sorrow into Love and Compassion, i.e. enlightenment. Hence it took Richard 11 years to investigate the powerful ‘holy cows’ of those highly passionate feelings of Divine Compassion, Love Agape, pacifism, Beauty and timelessness (Richard, Selected Correspondence, Enlightenment Resume) until he finally arrived at the actuality which had been revealed in his pure consciousness experiences.

As Kuba said:

Kuba: I remember when I first read Richard’s journal I wondered why he wrote so much about spirituality, of course it was a huge aspect of his dissolving of the enlightened state but initially I thought it does not apply to me. But it is clearer and clearer now just what role it played in the current state of affairs and just how deeply it runs. That the very parameters of reality were set up by those enlightened beings, the ‘wisdom’ they brought back was rooted in hallucination. Human kind has since been refining those truths into various belief systems, trying to refine that which has its roots in madness, so of course ‘humanity’ is well and truly lost, it cannot be fixed.

Wow it is really something, it must have been the most peculiar (this is way too lukewarm of a word actually) experience for Richard when he dissolved the entire psyche. He would have lived as the only person existing outside of the sanity/ insanity spectrum which itself is based in madness. He was a classified madman and yet what exactly was the rest of the population living?

These divine feelings being inherent in the human condition is the reason why feeling beings ‘Vineeto’ and ‘Peter’ were well aware and weary of the ‘Rock of Enlightenment’ during their actualism period, before a direct route was established when they became actually free. It was indeed an “epoch-changing event”. (Long Awaited Announcement).

I like what Claudiu wrote to Andrew –

Claudiu: You will really have to uncover the naiveté you have buried under all this cynicism and recognize just what a wonderous, unique, and fleeting opportunity we are all presented with. The universe in no way will guarantee that the world will become actually free – we are among the most well-positioned humans on the planet to be able to do everything we can to have it happen.

Possibly fleeting, depending on how many daring pioneers take up the challenge and pass on reports of their success.

Cheers Vineeto

 

 

 

 

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