DAMIAN: I am in Melbourne Australia

An interest in yoga led to Meditation with a group that was associated with Satyananda. I had a kundalini experience the first mediation. I didn’t know what it was at the time but that got me hooked 30 years later. 

My interest is mokshah / awakening / self realization

I don’t know much about actual freedom so not able to answer the other questions. How is PCE’s different from being in a flow state? of is it the same?

I read a few things but the website isn’t that easier to navigate and the text is really small. There are some particular words Richard used that I couldn’t find definitions on. 

CLAUDIU: In other words if what you want is these spiritual goals then you’ll save yourself a lot of time not pursuing actualism – not only will it not further your progress towards the spiritual goals but actually it will hinder it and turn you away from it. 

VINEETO: Hi Claudiu,

Well said.

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Hi Damian,

Alternatively you can do what Claudiu, Shashank and others here have done, is recognize that an actual freedom from the whole of the human condition is vastly superior because it offers an existential solution to the human condition whilst Buddhism/Hinduism merely offer a salvation solution. Viz:

[Richard to Shashank]: Thus I experientially know, from that ongoing lived reality, how what is nowadays called Buddhism (as well as what has come to be called Hinduism) is not an existential solution to the human condition, as is Actualism, but a salvational solution (that is, deliverance from being yoked – saṃyojana, fr. saṃyuñjati (saṃ+ yuñjati) where yuñjati = to yoke, literally means ‘yoked together’ – to sensory phenomena (aka ‘sabba’, SN 35.23; PTS: S iv 15) or, conversationally, from being yoked to/ fettered by worldly existence). (Richard, List D, No. 32, 23 December 2012).

The whole exchange is well-worth reading and quite explanatory.

Cheers Vineeto

October 11 2024

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II have a desire to know who I am. Not searching for an experience of enjoyment, happiness and a harmless life.

These 3 experiences are fleeting.

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Indian philosophy isn’t about salvation from samsara in all instances. The Vedic knowledge acts a means to know your true nature. A person maybe or maybe not be motivated by escaping samsara. [...]

Salvation is seen in Christianity, in that you need saving from descending into hell.

VINEETO: Hi Damian,

You started your introduction that you are “looking forward to learning more.”

Yet only a few posts later, you confidently declare that you are “not searching for an experience of enjoyment, happiness and a harmless life” before you have even began to understand anything of what an actual freedom is all about and proceed to defend and justify “Indian philosophy”, “Vedic knowledge” and your past decade's or more of spiritual practice. In other words, you came to this forum because, as you say, you want to “connect” and have “assistance” but without “reading and studying”, and yet instantly start objecting to each reply without knowing anything at all about the subject matter at hand. Either you are not really looking to understand or you don’t know how to.

Well, in either case, let me give you an example of a more sincere, genuine and in-depth reading of just the first four words on the Actual Freedom Trust homepage, instead of merely skimming over the words whilst consciously or unconsciously applying your own spiritual template to what you read and hence coming up with superficial and faulty conclusions –

Now, with the explicit meaning of those four introductory words in mind you should be able to clearly decide if you are interested any further or if you want to keep plodding on with your spiritual pursuit, which has given you the unsatisfactory results that made you look up the Actual Freedom website in the first place.

Otherwise there is no point discussing something entirely new to human history unless the person has an open mind, a deep sincerity and a genuine interest in finding out the actual meaning of life and thus can ask more informed questions than you have done so far.